So, who's Mrs. Spock? Did he end up marrying his teenage first love, Saavik?
Uhura.
Obviously.
A question of phrasing
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Uhura.
Obviously.
Or the Klingon Empire being ImperialYes, this is about as obvious as the Klingon Empire having an Emperor...
Timo Saloniemi
I thought she married Stonn.Uhura.
Obviously.
So, who's Mrs. Spock? Did he end up marrying his teenage first love, Saavik?
I mean, he impregnated her (per deleted scenes) about 40-50 years before his marriage. I don't think even a Vulcan has the patience for such a long engagement. Either he moved on to someone else, or he broke up and got back together with her. Saavik is as likely as T'Pring for a wife in ~2329.
Look in that episode Picard stated all he did was attend the wedding. Given Spock's Pon Farr history, for all we know his potential bride also chose challenge; and Spock found a way out of it and gave the bride away to the challenger again.
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Actually Spock married Stonn.
SPOCK: No. No. It is not. We shield it with ritual and customs shrouded in antiquity. You humans have no conception. It strips our minds from us. It brings a madness which rips away our veneer of civilisation. It is the pon farr. The time of mating. There are precedents in nature, Captain. The giant eelbirds of Regulus Five, once each eleven years they must return to the caverns where they hatched. On your Earth, the salmon. They must return to that one stream where they were born, to spawn or die in trying.
Giant eelbirds, salmon, Vulcans, are not returning home at great risk to their very lives to make a friend. They are looking to get busy.
But as said, for the salmon, it's not "or". It's "and" - they assuredly die. Spock didn't.
He didn't spawn, either. Indeed, out of all the bouts of pon farr so far seen, none have ended with anybody dying, and only one (ST3:TSfS) could even theoretically have ended with anybody spawning. So not only is the Vulcan mating cycle different from the "precedents" (which apparently only are precedents vis-á-vis the urge to return home, and even that is completely forgotten in all subsequent bouts), it's also something short of imperative.
Perhaps Spock for a rare once made sense, by choosing the eelbirds first, since they actually do cycles, very much unlike the salmon? (He really should have chosen turtles. You can never go wrong with turtles.)
Timo Saloniemi
He didn't spawn, either. Indeed, out of all the bouts of pon farr so far seen, none have ended with anybody dying, and only one (ST3:TSfS) could even theoretically have ended with anybody spawning. So not only is the Vulcan mating cycle different from the "precedents" (which apparently only are precedents vis-á-vis the urge to return home, and even that is completely forgotten in all subsequent bouts), it's also something short of imperative.
Perhaps Spock for a rare once made sense, by choosing the eelbirds first, since they actually do cycles, very much unlike the salmon? (He really should have chosen turtles. You can never go wrong with turtles.)
Timo Saloniemi
Spock and Saavik. Uggghhh!So, who's Mrs. Spock? Did he end up marrying his teenage first love, Saavik?
The only thing worse is Spock and Chapel Or maybe Spock and McCoy Or Spock and Stonn????? Or Spock and Droxine.
The British Empire didn't have an Emperor.Yes, this is about as obvious as the Klingon Empire having an Emperor...
Timo Saloniemi
Maybe if your planet blows up you don't get Pon Farr. Good news for Vulcan males in nuTrek I suppose.
It's an asteroid field - it pretty much exploded.
Her majesty Queen Victoria would beg to differ
http://www.open.ac.uk/researchprojects/makingbritain/content/queen-victoria-becomes-empress-india
^ And her male successors, too, till 1948, Edward VII, George V, Edward VIII, George VI, all bore the title "Emperor of India".
It's true of course though, that there was no "Emperor" title associated with the Empire as a whole.
It's true of course though, that there was no "Emperor" title associated with the Empire as a whole.
The question then becomes, was there an "Empire" title associated with the Empire as whole?
I mean, the rationale for making Victoria the first Empress was that the Empire needed a leader of that standing, both to make her competitive in Europe and to impress the subjects of the Raj. Her predecessors had already been Kings of Kings for many overseas holdings, though; so, when did the England-led whole first get considered an Empire by her own leaders?
There's no particular reason to think our heroes and villains wouldn't throw around designations relatively carelessly: "Empire" is likely to be a viewpoint rather than a title, and most would agree that the Feds and the Klingons are de facto Empires both. Only, the Feds aren't an Imperial Empire...
Timo Saloniemi
I mean, the rationale for making Victoria the first Empress was that the Empire needed a leader of that standing, both to make her competitive in Europe and to impress the subjects of the Raj. Her predecessors had already been Kings of Kings for many overseas holdings, though; so, when did the England-led whole first get considered an Empire by her own leaders?
There's no particular reason to think our heroes and villains wouldn't throw around designations relatively carelessly: "Empire" is likely to be a viewpoint rather than a title, and most would agree that the Feds and the Klingons are de facto Empires both. Only, the Feds aren't an Imperial Empire...
Timo Saloniemi
Ah, now this is interesting - what did become of the Genesis planet?
We never really saw her explode. The best we got was a relatively large lump of molten stuff hurled towards the BoP, suggesting that the whole planet eventually became a loose collection of such lumps (if there was a force capable of flinging out the single lump, there probably was for flinging out more, later on, and eventually the flinging would become easier even if the force also gradually ran out of oomph).
Timo Saloniemi
So technically the British Empire had an Emperor as its titular head although she wasn't the Emperor of Canada or Australia or New Zealand.
However Queen Victoria didn't actually rule at all. Not as a Queen or Emperor. By the time Queen Victoria came into power the British Empire was a Constitutional Monarchy and the British Parliament ruled.
In TUC was the Klingon Empire a monarchy was power seemed to be passed down from Father to Daughter?
Maybe it was explained in TNG but I got bored with the Klingons carry-on there and didn't quite get it.
^If I recall correctly, in TNG there is an episode about Kahless returning (who turns out to be an engineered clone by the priest class). When they figure out what to do with (negotiations between the priest class and the military rulers, because he has a significant following) it is proposed to make him Emperor:
So, after a three century absence of an Emperor, Kahless becomes the new figurehead of an emperor. How all this squares with TUC, less than a century before, I don't know. Also, of course, this Kahless is never seen again in for example DS9 (but perhaps that doesn't mean anything if he only was a figurehead).
EDIT: seems there were a few references to him in DS9 after all. My bad.
So, after a three century absence of an Emperor, Kahless becomes the new figurehead of an emperor. How all this squares with TUC, less than a century before, I don't know. Also, of course, this Kahless is never seen again in for example DS9 (but perhaps that doesn't mean anything if he only was a figurehead).
EDIT: seems there were a few references to him in DS9 after all. My bad.
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Since TNG had already depicted the whole process of succession for leadership of the High Council, the immediate appointment of Azetbur after her father's death seemed like more of a special circumstance, perhaps to avoid any interruption in the negotiations that were going on with the Federation.
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