Production Quality Of Picard
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Yeah. I mean, I wish there was customer demand for it! My girlfriend and I are watching DS9 from start to finish (her first time), and some of the transfers for these episodes on Netflix are just terrible: shape distortions at the bottom, color distortions at the side, bright colors showing up with interference. (The absolute worst so far was "Indiscretion;" those desert scenes show up awful.) God I wish there was enough customer demand for CBS to be willing to pay for a remaster.
Blu-Ray is just something that never took off. So even in 2012, putting out TNG Blu-Rays was dicey. So I wouldn't argue for re-mastered DS9 and VOY for a Blu-Ray release.
But. I would like to see it done for streaming purposes. I'm sorry to say this but DS9 and VOY in SD suffer on a big-screen TV compared to every other Star Trek series. And I'm of the generation who grew up when these shows were made. So if I think it doesn't look that great today, then who knows what younger and future generations will think. Thanks to Picard there might be people who want to check out DS9 and VOY either again or for the first time.
It's not exactly on the top of my list of "things I just can't wait to see!" More like "it would be nice".
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Yeah, I've always appreciated Mojo's work, but he's really coming off like a little kid having a temper tantrum and an "I'm right and everybody else is wrong!" attitude.
Yep. Nobody wants physical media anymore, whether it be music or movies/tv shows, especially if the same stuff on that media is streamable on a service that people are already subscribed to. Why the hell would I buy the TOS blurays when I can stream the HD episodes on Hulu or Netflix? I find that I only buy DVDs or BDs of stuff that's not easily accessible, and Star Trek does not fit that bill.
He addresses that problem here:
https://www.facebook.com/Adam.Mojo.Lebowitz/posts/10218967715880469
"It will happen. It’s just a matter of when. The cost of doing this is peanuts compared to making new episodes."
Adam Mojo Lebowitz
This dude also worked on the TMP DE and is hoping for a 4K remaster of that too:
https://www.facebook.com/Adam.Mojo.Lebowitz/posts/10218857443803736
TMP is a niche audience! so will be interesting to see if that happens
As a Dr Who fan, I find it most amusing that Auntie Beeb can restore the old Dr Who's, but something of the quality of Star Trek DS9 and VOY are left looking very poor indeed.
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He did. If you were interested, you can scroll through his old Facebook to read about applying for a job working on DSC (and why he was rejected) and looking at some of his designs for a future Enterprise.
TMP also targets a built in audience who, at least at the time, had the disposal income.
If you're making something for CBS All Access, you're not making something for purchase on Blu-Ray. You're adding exclusive content to All Access. And if it's cheaper than a whole new show, and stops some people from dropping for a few months until a new show is ready - why not?
A big plus of doing remasters is - for some reason that I don't quite understand - you can watch any older Trek on either Netflix or Amazon Prime. On Amazon you can even choose between base and remastered TOS/TNG.
Unless I'm missing something, the only thing I know about old Doctor Who episodes being 'restored' are when they create animation for episodes that were lost, not at all the same thing as remastering VFX in HD.
For those without the evil that is Facebook, would you be able to link to the designs?
I don't know-go ask them.
Clearly CBS doesn't feel the math adds up at this point in time, for some reason.
But does it stop people from cancelling their CBSAA subscriptions? Are there enough people clamoring for remastered DS9 and VOY that spending that kind of money would yield a meaningful profit for CBS?
This idea that it's "peanuts" keeps getting thrown around -- sorry, but it's not peanuts. It may not be as expensive as producing a new show, but it's still a significant investment of millions of dollars. And nobody has yet demonstrated that there is sufficient customer demand for it to be worth the cost to CBS in a capitalist marketplace.
Edited to add: Re: Lebowitz's post. There is a big, big difference between restoring a handful of classic films like Casablanca or Citizen Kane, and remastering 348 episodes of two niche TV shows from the 1990s that had mediocre ratings during their time. Yes, Star Trek is a valuable brand -- but two TV series from 30 years ago out of a 50-year franchise that never achieved broad popularity are not what's gonna define that brand going forward. Star Trek already consists of 10 TV series (TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, DIS, SHO, PIC, LOW) with at least three more in development (the Nickelodeon show, the Section 31 show, and Strange New Worlds), plus three different series of movies (TOS cast, TNG cast, Kelvin cast) consisting of 13 films total.
That's a lot of Star Trek. And if CBS doesn't determine that the expense of remastering DS9 and VOY will yield adequate amounts of additional revenue, they have a lot of other options with which to promote the Star Trek brand to keep the standard-def sadness of DS9 and VOY from hurting the overall Star Trek image. End edit.
The reason is obvious enough: Netflix and Amazon Prime both determined that there was sufficient audience demand for old Star Trek on their platforms that it was worth paying the license fee CBS demanded and that it was worth not having an exclusive license, and CBS determined that they would make more money licensing it out to multiple platforms than by keeping it exclusive to either themselves or to any one third-party platform.
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Sci said:
He is certainly opinionated
That's not being "opinionated." That's being abusive. The fact that it comes from an industry professional instead of a random television viewer means that it is borderline harassment and comes damn near being a threat of violence. It is completely inappropriate for an industry professional treat another industry professional that way, especially in public.
If I were the head of a visual effects company, I would never hire an artist who posted memes like that (lest someone refuse to contract with my company for employing him), and if I were a Hollywood studio, I would never contract with any visual effects company owned by someone who posts something like that.
The idea that it is peanuts keeps blowing my mind. It's like people constantly undervalue the amount of labor and time that is necessary to do this thing they keep heaping abuse at CBS for not doing.
I am continually blown away by the level of hostility and violence that is tolerated when directed at Trek producers.
I'm more inclined to say circular reasoning but that's just me.
Yeah I should have stated it was an appeal to self-authority which is really what's happening here. Not sure if that's a true logical fallacy though...
However, more importantly; there's also a Danhauser video for circular reasoning!
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