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Spoilers Agents of SHIELD- The Final Season Discussion

Sad however, we still haven't seen Jarvis or Peggy. Still hoping we might at some point of the final season.
Anybody know what they were up to in the 70s, 80s and 90s?

Wonder how they will pull off Gideon Malick, since the actor (Powers Boothe) passed away in 2017 and as stated above Wilfred Malick passed away in 1970.

We know from Endgame that in 1970 Jarvis was still working for Howard Stark and that Peggy was working out of the SHIELD installation at Camp Lehigh.

As for Gideon Malick, they don't need Powers Boothe, they need the guy who played the young Gideon Malick in the flashbacks in season 3.
 
It worked out exactly as I expected, and exactly as I hoped. So, thumbs up. Hope Sousa sticks around until the end.

Lol, Enoch.

Regarding the preview for next week's episode:
Lol, Enoch.
 
...and then we get that stinker of an ending. The Chronicoms are going to rewrite history by helping HYDRA prevent their collapse by our very heroes in the future. I wonder how the show will deal the ripples in time of that particular situation.

Given their ultimate goal is the conquest and colonisation of Earth, I think it's a safe bet that the plan is to use Hydra and then dispose of them.

I'm not sure if they'll draw on this connection but it is established that the Chronicoms at least have some knowledge of the monoliths and the Maveth monolith is something that interests Hydra in general and the Malick family in particular. So maybe we'll see Hive show up a few decades early? Or touch on how Fury got the monolith away from Hydra in the first place? (Fingers still crossed for an episode with two Enochs...)

Come to think of it, in a pre-terrigen exposed Earth when the only Inhumans are a handful of scattered groups living in hiding, Hive wouldn't present much of a threat to the Chronicoms. He certainly can't sway them and I doubt he'd find them all that digestible. So turning him loose to clear out Hydra once SHIELD is dealt with may indeed be a viable plan. Whether we'll see it get that far is another matter.

I'm not sure if I like where the story with May is going. So she's cold and emotionless and unless she's around others? Plus, she's old around Coulson because he's a robot (and yet, she seemed pretty angry when fighting Enoch).
Another way to interpret that is that she's developed empathic powers. Which for someone who's been so emotionally controlled up until now is certainly an interesting twist. Not sure where they're going with this thread though.
 
Given their ultimate goal is the conquest and colonisation of Earth, I think it's a safe bet that the plan is to use Hydra and then dispose of them.

I'm not sure if they'll draw on this connection but it is established that the Chronicoms at least have some knowledge of the monoliths and the Maveth monolith is something that interests Hydra in general and the Malick family in particular. So maybe we'll see Hive show up a few decades early? Or touch on how Fury got the monolith away from Hydra in the first place? (Fingers still crossed for an episode with two Enochs...)
That's a better way to look at it. Hopefully it'll play out somewhere along those lines. Including two Enochs! :D

...and maybe a Fury cameo?

Another way to interpret that is that she's developed empathic powers. Which for someone who's been so emotionally controlled up until now is certainly an interesting twist. Not sure where they're going with this thread though.
I did think of her as having empathetic powers, but it's not simply just that because she's an emotional blank slate when not around others and that's the part bothers me.
 
...and maybe a Fury cameo?
One would hope so, but who are you going to get to play a young Sam Jackson? It's a TV budget, so no way can they afford to digitally de-age the man himself...unless they go down the Project Rebirth route and have Fury be a *lot* older than he looks. I'd be surprised if they could get him though.

Either way, it'd be odd to have the season being about the history of SHIELD and *not* have Fury crop up somewhere. Maybe a way around it is to have old school white guy Fury there instead? I'm not up on the comics, but I gather than the current notion is that the "new" Sam Jackson looking Fury is the adopted son of the classic Nick Fury?

I did think of her as having empathetic powers, but it's not simply just that because she's an emotional blank slate when not around others and that's the part bothers me.
An empath that can only experience other people's emotions? Sounds like a comic book character to me! Hell, it sounds like something right out of the X-Men!
 
One would hope so, but who are you going to get to play a young Sam Jackson? It's a TV budget, so no way can they afford to digitally de-age the man himself...unless they go down the Project Rebirth route and have Fury be a *lot* older than he looks. I'd be surprised if they could get him though.

Either way, it'd be odd to have the season being about the history of SHIELD and *not* have Fury crop up somewhere. Maybe a way around it is to have old school white guy Fury there instead? I'm not up on the comics, but I gather than the current notion is that the "new" Sam Jackson looking Fury is the adopted son of the classic Nick Fury?
I don't know much about Nick Fury in the comics beyond the basics. This is the first time I've seen the idea of the Jackson Fury being the adopted son of the classic Fury.

They got Jackson before way back in season 2 for a cameo so I don't think it's completely out of the realm of possibility. He could appear in the 90s segment (presumably the location of the next time jump) which would be circa his time during Captain Marvel. Easy peasy.

An empath that can only experience other people's emotions? Sounds like a comic book character to me! Hell, it sounds like something right out of the X-Men!
Ah, well, when you put it that way, that doesn't so bad. But to have that happen so late in the game for one of the most beloved characters who hasn't needed superpowers to define herself seems ill-fitting.
 
I don't know much about Nick Fury in the comics beyond the basics. This is the first time I've seen the idea of the Jackson Fury being the adopted son of the classic Fury.
I'm not exactly up on modern comics either, but I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that this is the basic idea every since they replaced "Classic Fury" with "Ultimate Fury."
I might be wrong, but it seemed like a sensible enough way to have both exist and retain the WWII & Cold War legacy of the character.
They got Jackson before way back in season 2 for a cameo so I don't think it's completely out of the realm of possibility. He could appear in the 90s segment (presumably the location of the next time jump) which would be circa his time during Captain Marvel. Easy peasy.
That would still require digital deageing which as noted, is waaay outside of their budget range.
Also note that those cameos were *VERY* limited in what they could do. Notice how he scene with Simmons had her stuck in a tube the whole time? Or how he's just standing in a corner of the set with Coulson while Garret monologues? That's because they only had him for very short periods of time (because he's Sam mother-fucking Jackson) and so they had to get all of his coverage with very simple set-ups in the can all on one go, then film everyone else's coverage another day and stitch it all back together in editing. All right closeups on him; no masters.
So yeah, getting him in for a TV show is tricky and expensive. Not impossible, but as noted previously I think they'd rather spend the limited resources elsewhere.

Now an audio only cameo on the other hand would be a lot more doable...plus you could do it in the 70's with no problems. Sam Jackson's voice doesn't seem to have changed much over the decades.

All that said though, you'd think if they had him, it would have leaked by now.
Ah, well, when you put it that way, that doesn't so bad. But to have that happen so late in the game for one of the most beloved characters who hasn't needed superpowers to define herself seems ill-fitting.
The flip side of that is they they need to give Ming-Na something interesting to do besides being stoic and punching people. It also has a kind of thematic sense to it since May has always been the most emotional person on the team, which is exactly why she keeps herself under such tight, regimented control. So taking away both those things seems like a valid place to take the character.
It's not about giving her powers, it's about continuing to explore her character. She's done the stoic badarse, the PTSD veteran, the maternal teacher and most recently, the grieving widow. Rounding it off by having her directly confront who she is and what defines her seems appropriate enough to me.
 
@The Nth Doctor small bit of nitpickery. Fury had 2 cameos and they were both in the first season, not the second. The first cameo came from the second episode, and while they didn't announce it in advance, they hinted at it by using the altered logo for the show that I use in my avatar in the episodes preview.

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In his cameo in the season finale, it's painfully obvious that he and Bill Paxton were never on the set at the same time.
 
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@The Nth Doctor small bit of nitpickery. Fury had 2 cameos and they were both in the first season, not the second. The first cameo came from the second episode, and while they didn't announce it in advance, they hinted at it by using the altered logo for the show that I use in my avatar in the episodes preview.

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In his cameo in the season finale, it's painfully obvious that he and Bill Paxton we're never on the set at the same time.
Oops! Thanks for the corrections. Like I've said before, my memory is shit and I really need to rewatch the show.

That would still require digital deageing which as noted, is waaay outside of their budget range.
Also note that those cameos were *VERY* limited in what they could do. Notice how he scene with Simmons had her stuck in a tube the whole time? Or how he's just standing in a corner of the set with Coulson while Garret monologues? That's because they only had him for very short periods of time (because he's Sam mother-fucking Jackson) and so they had to get all of his coverage with very simple set-ups in the can all on one go, then film everyone else's coverage another day and stitch it all back together in editing. All right closeups on him; no masters.
So yeah, getting him in for a TV show is tricky and expensive. Not impossible, but as noted previously I think they'd rather spend the limited resources elsewhere.

Now an audio only cameo on the other hand would be a lot more doable...plus you could do it in the 70's with no problems. Sam Jackson's voice doesn't seem to have changed much over the decades.

All that said though, you'd think if they had him, it would have leaked by now.
All fair points there. But I still cling onto hope for something.

Because I have to have hang onto hope in something right now.

The flip side of that is they they need to give Ming-Na something interesting to do besides being stoic and punching people. It also has a kind of thematic sense to it since May has always been the most emotional person on the team, which is exactly why she keeps herself under such tight, regimented control. So taking away both those things seems like a valid place to take the character.
It's not about giving her powers, it's about continuing to explore her character. She's done the stoic badarse, the PTSD veteran, the maternal teacher and most recently, the grieving widow. Rounding it off by having her directly confront who she is and what defines her seems appropriate enough to me.
Okay, that makes sense. I can see that working if that's how they're planning to play it out.
 
You know if you are trying to pull the HYDRA is behind it thing as a surprise, it’s probably a good idea not to play their theme before revealing its them.
 
So, SHIELD has a Chronicom helping them, and now, HYDRA has a Chronicom helping them. I put my trust in Enoch (one of my favorite characters). :D
 
That was another really fun episode :D Poor Enoch. I can't wait to see the 70s... Hearing "No More Mr Nice Guy" really got me wanting a SHIELD/Dazed & Confused sesh crossover.
 
I wonder if they'd even attempt the whole noir thing if they didn't have Clark Gregg. He did a good job with that delivery. I know some people don't like Deke but he's grown on me and I've really liked him this season.

May continues to be really cold toward LMD Coulson which is understandable though he seems to take it in stride. LMD Coulson is interesting, he's still Coulson yet he's kind of not, his drives seem a little different. I like the change of pace with Coulson being more active in the field under the leadership of Mack. For me personally, while I wouldn't mind if he was around, I haven't really been missing Fitz much yet.

I didn't watch Agent Carter so the stuff with Sousa doesn't land home with me as I know it must for others.

It'd be funny if Enoch had settled into his role so much that he's now running some cheesy over-the-top place like Margaritaville or Senor Frogs.
 
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That was a great episode.
The noir stuff was a lot of fun, Clark Gregg has a great voice for that kind of thing.
I was hoping they would save Sousa, and I was pretty happy with how they did it.
Poor Enoch, he was so excited to finally reunite with the team, and they ended up leaving him behind again.
Very curious to see what Malick and the Chronicoms are going to be up to together.
 
Poor Enoch, he was so excited to finally reunite with the team, and they ended up leaving him behind again.
Poor Enoch. Remember, to the rest of the team, it was only a couple of hours ago that they saw or talked to Enoch.
 
So the jump to the '70s will mean he's been trapped on Earth for 40 years, right?
How much do we know about the MCU in the '70s? Wasn't that around the time Howard Stark made the videos Tony watched in the second Iron Man? Didn't Hank Pym and Janet Van Dyne start working for S.H.I.E.L.D. in the '70s?
 
Wonder if they’re going to explain Enoch’s little out of time Terminator reference. And what is May wearing?

Is there a tackier decade in the history of mankind than the 70’s? This is the decade that gave us David Bowie, how?
 
I was watching Jurassic Park Lost World over the weekend and didn't remember much and realized I may not have seen the movie in 20 years. I was noting that things haven't changed so much in the 20 years that followed that made it seem overly dated. However, if you went 20 years before Lost World, the world of 1977 would've looked markedly different.

Maybe it's a sign of my age but I can imagine a show like this doing 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s and a distinct look for each. However, I don't think the 90s, 00s, and 10s are quite so distinct (well, late 90s anyway, the early years had some really bright colors).
 
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