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Spoilers Agents of SHIELD- The Final Season Discussion

So is the next episode really in Black & White or was that just for the trailer?
Considering what happened with Coulson's eyes after the EMP knocked him out, I think it just might be black and white.

Also, Daisy was incredibly attractive in this episode. Just thought I'd throw that out there.
 
They could be in stasis.

But it really does feel like Gemma wants to say that the others were asleep for 4 thousand years, but can't exactly get it out.
Yeah, there's definitely something weird about how long it's been for her. I don't know if it's been that long, but they seem to be building up to some kind of a big shocking reveal there.
 
Yeah, there's definitely something weird about how long it's been for her. I don't know if it's been that long, but they seem to be building up to some kind of a big shocking reveal there.
Has she punched someone properly this season to judge if elderly Simmons had to scan her mind into an LMD a few millennia ago?
 
Has she punched someone properly this season to judge if elderly Simmons had to scan her mind into an LMD a few millennia ago?

Well she went toe to toe with Enoch....

Though if her consciousness has been transferred in the LMD wouldn't it negate to the need for the life support capsule and Enoch working his surgical magic.
 
Apparently Sousa was spotted on the Zephyr in one of the season trailers, so the theory that he doesn't actually die but joins them might be true
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Another old clip. This time we have Fitz explaining temporal mechanics all the way back in season 3. Seems to be consistant with what Endgame would later establish.

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I think it was pretty obvious what they were going to do with Souza. Souza was a major character on Agent Carter. They aren't going to tell the audience he is going to die, and then show it, in the trailer.

Seemed pretty clear that they were going to bring him to the team.
 
Another great episode. Poor Enoch.

The scene with Sousa and the lady spy at the bar reminded me of a scene with Coulson and his old flame in the second episode of the first season, when Coulson figures out her seductive routine was all a distraction.

Was that mysterious item supposed to be the diviner? I know SHIELD had it from the very beginning, but I'm not sure how it's the basis of all SHIELD tech.

Glad that the team found a way to save Sousa. Now the team has an agent from the future and an agent from the past. It'll be fun to see Sousa's reaction to the Future.

Fot historical context, the song "No More Mister Nice Guy" dates to 1973, three years after the death of Wilfred Malick and Gideon betraying his brother at the stone ceremony.
 
Was that mysterious item supposed to be the diviner? I know SHIELD had it from the very beginning, but I'm not sure how it's the basis of all SHIELD tech.
No, aside from the diviner being a different shape and texture, it was an 0-8-4, not some gadget or gizmo invented by Stark's scientists...and it was sealed away in a box by Peggy at the end of WWII and not unsealed again until season 2 of AoS.

I think they're just being deliberately tongue-in-cheek about it's McGuffiness and it's really not meant to be anything in particular. Honestly, I'm surprised they even bothered to show it. I assumed the gag would be that everyone had a reaction to it, but the camera never sees it (like in Pulp Fiction.)

I mean if they wanted it to mean something then surely they'd make it obvious, either in name or design. But it's just a nondescript lump of metal. If it's really the foundation of all SHIELD tech, what does that even mean? What tech? The holograms? The cloaking? The helicarriers?What kind of fundamental tech could possibly bridge every SHIELD device, including the Zephyr?

I thought maybe for a moment it'd be some proto-arc reactor component, but SHIELD didn;t start using that until *after* Tony made a version that actually worked and was practical. Then I thought it was that vibranium alloy they like making things out of, but that's material science, not a device.
 
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I I had actually forgotten that he played a cop in the first Avengers movie. In my pre Endgame headcanon, he was a descendent of Peggy and Daniel.

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Just going off that video, I'd remembered him being in Avengers, but I'd forgotten Robert Clohessy (The Sergeant speaking ito his radio in the picture) was. I just remembered him from Blue Bloods.
 
Yeah!!!
they nicely saved a good fella (Sousa) and as above stated now indeed an agent from the future, an agent from the past :D
Was also expecting the gadget not to be shown. Would have been cooler I think.
Enoch "playing" phone connector and having to listen to the bar guest lol lol lol
Interesting development with May feeling the others emotions. So glad it's seems to be a "new power" and not some demon from the other side ;)

Coulson to Sousa "Welcome to life after death, I can tell you all about it" :D :D :D

Sad however, we still haven't seen Jarvis or Peggy. Still hoping we might at some point of the final season.
Anybody know what they were up to in the 70s, 80s and 90s?

Wonder how they will pull off Gideon Malick, since the actor (Powers Boothe) passed away in 2017 and as stated above Wilfred Malick passed away in 1970.


ETA: the film noir or whatever was super fun and well done, including reverting to "color" once LMD Coulson was "fixed".
 
“It's easier to let a bad man live than let a good man die.”

Fantastic episode! I'm always a sucker for film noir and who better to be placed in the center of Agents of SHIELD's version than Coulson? Even without the spoilerish speculation upthread, I figured early on by the narrative structure that Sousa wouldn't die but history would continue to think he did and I'm so glad I was right. I don't know how long he'll stick around but I'm thrilled Sousa has more or less joined the cast. :D

...and then we get that stinker of an ending. The Chronicoms are going to rewrite history by helping HYDRA prevent their collapse by our very heroes in the future. I wonder how the show will deal the ripples in time of that particular situation.

Poor Enoch. He was practically giddy to hear from his friends had finally arrived but then he was absolutely crushed to be continuously used a phone operator. I hope he doesn't hold it against them if and when they meet up in the 70s. :(

I'm not sure if I like where the story with May is going. So she's cold and emotionless and unless she's around others? Plus, she's old around Coulson because he's a robot (and yet, she seemed pretty angry when fighting Enoch).

No, aside from the diviner being a different shape and texture, it was an 0-8-4, not some gadget or gizmo invented by Stark's scientists...and it was sealed away in a box by Peggy at the end of WWII and not unsealed again until season 2 of AoS.

I think they're just being deliberately tongue-in-cheek about it's McGuffiness and it's really not meant to be anything in particular. Honestly, I'm surprised they even bothered to show it. I assumed the gag would be that everyone had a reaction to it, but the camera never sees it (like in Pulp Fiction.)

I mean if they wanted it to mean something then surely they'd make it obvious, either in name or design. But it's just a nondescript lump of metal. If it's really the foundation of all SHIELD tech, what does that even mean? What tech? The holograms? The cloaking? The helicarriers?What kind of fundamental tech could possibly bridge every SHIELD device, including the Zephyr?

I thought maybe for a moment it'd be some proto-arc reactor component, but SHIELD didn;t start using that until *after* Tony made a version that actually worked and was practical. Then I thought it was that vibranium alloy they like making things out of, but that's material science, not a device.
Ah, thanks for that. I was drawing a complete blank as to what was going on there. I thought it might be just a MacGuffin but I wasn't sure because of my shitty memory. I agree that they should've left unseen a la Pulp Fiction.
 
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