Production Quality Of Picard

[fireproof78]

The Mandalorian takes its inspiration from one thing and one thing only.

Westerns.

Some of these people here, they'd eat the pizza while still saying "I hate it!" Just like they'd watch Picard while still saying "I hate it!"

See, I would have no issue if the discussion was feeling like an actual discussion rather than making points and ignoring rebuttals.

But, I agree, that people would probably be a whole lot happier if they just moved on from the things that they don't like, rather than forcing themselves to endure it for...I honestly don't know why at this point...???

 

[Dukhat]

See, I would have no issue if the discussion was feeling like an actual discussion rather than making points and ignoring rebuttals.

Which is exactly what this is. But least some meaningful discussion is taking place; just not by the OP.

 

[fireproof78]

Which is exactly what this is. But least some meaningful discussion is taking place; just not by the OP.

Fair point. It would be nice to hear from the OP.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

I thought the production design was OK. But I wish there were more callbacks to the clean TNG aesthetic. You know, the bridge is comfy, displays are clean and logical. You could imagine living on the Enterprise D, it was fully realised and that’s the nice future that I’d like to live in. PIC was a bit dystopian by comparison. There was money, someone living in a weird trailer thing...

What’s interesting to me about DSC and PIC is that they look a bit generic SciFi now. I mean stuff looks good, but lacks that ‘Trek’ vibe. By way of contrast, The Mandalorian takes its inspiration from one thing and one thing only. Star Wars.

The Enterprise D bridge looked like a hotel lobby and was a terribly uninspired design. The defiant and voyager bridges were far superior and actually looked like a ships command centre.

Also you really need to look up the specific meaning of dystopia because there is absolutely nothing dystopia in Picard. It's darker show than previous outings but dystopia doesn't mean dark.

 

[Makarov]

I wish they all looked like a hotel lobby, nothing else had touched TNG's aesthetic for me

 

[NCC-73515]

Oh my word, that video sums up for me so much that's wrong with Star Trek fans.

To me it sums up what's wrong with the current production people responsible for design choices XD

It is the constant need to have that rationalization explained rather than accept limitations of production, i.e. time, money, model availability, etc, that is rather odd. Some how there is still a thread about "James R. Kirk."

Now, I have no problem with rationalization. It's a rather simple mental exercise for me. But, demanding the producers answer every single detail is simply irrational.

As pointed out in the video, no huge limitations existed.

 

[The Old Mixer]

It's like Pepperoni Pizza. I just don't like it.

Can I have your slice?

 

[fireproof78]

As pointed out in the video, no huge limitations existed.

Time and money are always limitations.

Regardless, I see it as looking for a problem where none exists.

 

[Danja]

Can I have your slice?

Is it gluten-free?

 

[NCC-73515]

Why not take the slices off (Marty Jr style)? Someone might like to double their pepperoni per slice

 

[Spot261]

To me it sums up what's wrong with the current production people responsible for design choices XD

They are not reductionist to an absurd extent in terms of what matters when telling a story?

They underestimated yet again the ability of fans to find something almost impossibly petty to complain about and do so ad infinitum?

They also underestimated the capacity of fans to elevate Trek to the level of a quasi religion?

 

[Sci]

They are not reductionist to an absurd extent in terms of what matters when telling a story?

They underestimated yet again the ability of fans to find something almost impossibly petty to complain about and do so ad infinitum?

They also underestimated the capacity of fans to elevate Trek to the level of a quasi religion?

I swear to God if some of these "fans" had been around when Shakespeare wrote Hamlet or Macbeth, they'd've spent the entire time complaining about the abducted-by-pirates subplot, or Hamlet's tendency to vacillate between commitment to action and timidity, or how many children had Lady Macbeth.

 

[Spot261]

I swear to God if some of these "fans" had been around when Shakespeare wrote Hamlet or Macbeth, they'd've spent the entire time complaining about the abducted-by-pirates subplot, or Hamlet's tendency to vacillate between commitment to action and timidity, or how many children had Lady Macbeth.

Or whether the prop people had given Macduff an outfit with buttons on?

 

[NewHeavensNewEarth]

The Enterprise D bridge looked like a hotel lobby and was a terribly uninspired design. The defiant and voyager bridges were far superior and actually looked like a ships command centre.

Also you really need to look up the specific meaning of dystopia because there is absolutely nothing dystopia in Picard. It's darker show than previous outings but dystopia doesn't mean dark.

The camera angles hid the fact that Voyager's bridge was kind of a mess when it came to simple things like steps. To go up to a certain work station, you first had to take 2 steps down, then 4 steps up. Hence the need for several railings. Not really common sense stuff.

 

[JamesRye]

The Enterprise D bridge looked like a hotel lobby and was a terribly uninspired design. The defiant and voyager bridges were far superior and actually looked like a ships command centre.

Also you really need to look up the specific meaning of dystopia because there is absolutely nothing dystopia in Picard. It's darker show than previous outings but dystopia doesn't mean dark.

I liked that the bridge looked comfortable. It was supposed to. This was the future, scientists exploring the universe as opposed to the military. It was somewhere to live and work, with families and real lives. Even the phasers were originally supposed to look like tools and not guns.

Finally, I hold a degree in English literature, so I know what dystopia means, thank you.

 

[fireproof78]

And PIC is not dystopian.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Finally, I hold a degree in English literature, so I know what dystopia means, thank you.

Then stop misusing the word. A dystopia is a very specific type of society which was not at all represented in the federation shown in Picard.

 

[JamesRye]

I said it was more dystopian when compared to TNG. Which it was designed to be.
Here's a quote from Patrick Stewart.

“In a way, the world of ‘Next Generation’ had been too perfect and too protected… It was a safe world of respect and communication and care and, sometimes, fun. [The new show] was me responding to the world of Brexit and Trump and feeling, ‘Why hasn’t the Federation changed? Why hasn’t Starfleet changed?’ Maybe they’re not as reliable and trustworthy as we all thought.”

Picard takes a common literary device,that of the dystopia, taking today’s society, exaggerating its (real or perceived) ills and transporting them to a nightmarish future (Mars attacks, refugees). Instead of showing what a better future might look like, dystopian fiction warns us how things might turn out if present trends continue.

Dystopian visions are far more common in literature than Utopia's. Why? They're more dramatic and easier to write. In my opinion.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

The camera angles hid the fact that Voyager's bridge was kind of a mess when it came to simple things like steps. To go up to a certain work station, you first had to take 2 steps down, then 4 steps up. Hence the need for several railings. Not really common sense stuff.

Meh I was fine with the steps. Ops in ds9 had steps all over the place as well

 

[Agony_Boothb]

I said it was more dystopian.
Here's a quote from Patrick Stewart.

“In a way, the world of ‘Next Generation’ had been too perfect and too protected… It was a safe world of respect and communication and care and, sometimes, fun. [The new show] was me responding to the world of Brexit and Trump and feeling, ‘Why hasn’t the Federation changed? Why hasn’t Starfleet changed?’ Maybe they’re not as reliable and trustworthy as we all thought.”

Picard takes a common literary device,that of the dystopia, taking today’s society, exaggerating its (real or perceived) ills and transporting them to a nightmarish future (Mars attacks, refugees). Instead of showing what a better future might look like, dystopian fiction warns us how things might turn out if present trends continue.

Again none of what Stewart says is representative of a dystopia. We don't live in a dystopia and I would argue that Picard doesn't even qualify as dystopian fiction. The federation is not depicted as a fascist state. Picard is free to question it, and go where he pleases. The fact that the federation became insular and hawkish because of the synthetic attack is not enough to qualify it as a dystopia or even as more dystopian. The society itself has not fundamentally changed from what we saw in tng or ds9. Also, The Federation has been depicted as hawkish and some what untrustworthy since tng. I mean we're talking about an organisation that literally gave away planets people were living on without consulting said people, and developed cloaking technology that violated a treaty with the romulans.

What we see of the romulans isn't dystopian either. I would argue that romulans lived in a dystopia before the supernova and their society as a whole seems more open than it ever did in tng and ds9.

So specifically what do you think makes Picard dystopian?