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Production Quality Of Picard

Buttons on clothing: BAD!
Buttons on starship control consoles: GOOD!
:shrug:
We can from that extrapolate that

Zippers on clothing: BAD!
Zippers on control consoles: GOOD!

It would be much funnier though, imagine it's an intense battle scene, life or death for our heroes, and over the beeping of red alert we can hear the audible "ZIP!"s from the consoles, while the bridge crew is trying to maintain the upper hand.
 
I'm thinking back to "The Naked Now". Doesn't Crusher unzipper her uniform when she wants to flirt with Picard?

Uh-oh.

And the way Data's aid dresses in the future of "All Good Things". She doesn't look like she's from the 24th Century. She doesn't even look like she's from 1994 when the episode was made. She looks like she's from the Early-20th Century.
 
I was talking about the ensign ro episode where they showed how a zipperless and buttonless jacket worked. Pretty cool. It’s a solid piece of cloth and then you just open it and you can take it off like a jacket. There was no seam in the cloth that was noticeable it jus opened.really nice

You mean the episode where it was incredibly obvious that they used an entirely different jacket between shots and edited them together to pretend it was the same item of clothing?

Talk about bad production values!

Regardless if you think clothing in past shows sucked or not there was a attempt to change the styles and not make them look like 20th and 21st century contemporary clothing.

Honestly I don't think they were going for a 20th/21st Century look -- they were going for a design that looks as close to "neutral," as close to "not attached to any one time period" as reasonably possible.

As it stands in Picard someone can travel 379 years and they would have in exactly the same clothes that 24 century people care wearing. Go back 379 in our past and I doubt you would be able to argue that styles look similar and can easily blend in with today’s styles without anyone noticing.

Well, 379 years ago was 1641 CE, so let's talk about the Western European costume of the 1640s. One of the things that immediately sticks out to me about 1640s fashion -- at least, the fashion of the 1640s nobility -- is how much more ornate, even ostentatious, the garments are compared to modern dress. These clothing items are big and they're loud.

So if we're going to apply that basic principle, that over time garments become less complex and less ostentatious, then the PIC take on 24th Century Earth Western European/American civilian fashion makes more sense than, say, the TNG take on such clothing. TNG civilian clothes are loud and ostentatious; they make a lot of use of bright, gaudy colors and reflective fabrics. They're also more complex, making extensive use of full body suits instead of modular designs that are easy to take on and off.

So, really, if you're depicting a continuation of longstanding historical trends in the broadest terms, it makes more sense to go for low-key, utilitarian garments than clothing that's harder to put on and more gaudy.

And the way Data's aid dresses in the future of "All Good Things". She doesn't look like she's from the 24th Century. She doesn't even look like she's from 1994 when the episode was made. She looks like she's from the Early-20th Century.

I mean, ultimately it's impossible to predict long-term fashion trends except in very generalized, broad terms, so it's a very common tactic to instead draw upon historical fashion trends and apply them in fantastical environments like the 24th Century United Federation of Planets, or the Long Time Ago Galaxy Far Far Away in Star Wars. This tactic has the advantage of subconsciously registering to audience members that the production is set in a different era from ours, but doesn't usually activate the "wait why would people dress like that?" button because most audience members recognize it as a conceit rather than an attempt to accurately predict future fashions. It can also be used to reinforce historical parallels; the Centauri of Babylon 5 dressed like they were from Renaissance Italy to help convey the idea of a monarchical society dominated by noble houses, for instance.
 
You mean the episode where it was incredibly obvious that they used an entirely different jacket between shots and edited them together to pretend it was the same item of clothing?

Talk about bad production values!



Honestly I don't think they were going for a 20th/21st Century look -- they were going for a design that looks as close to "neutral," as close to "not attached to any one time period" as reasonably possible.



Well, 379 years ago was 1641 CE, so let's talk about the Western European costume of the 1640s. One of the things that immediately sticks out to me about 1640s fashion -- at least, the fashion of the 1640s nobility -- is how much more ornate, even ostentatious, the garments are compared to modern dress. These clothing items are big and they're loud.

So if we're going to apply that basic principle, that over time garments become less complex and less ostentatious, then the PIC take on 24th Century Earth Western European/American civilian fashion makes more sense than, say, the TNG take on such clothing. TNG civilian clothes are loud and ostentatious; they make a lot of use of bright, gaudy colors and reflective fabrics. They're also more complex, making extensive use of full body suits instead of modular designs that are easy to take on and off.

So, really, if you're depicting a continuation of longstanding historical trends in the broadest terms, it makes more sense to go for low-key, utilitarian garments than clothing that's harder to put on and more gaudy.

Sci, can I review what you said as I don't get it? Because court aristocratic fashion in the early-to-mid 17th century was - in your words - "loud", and clothing today is not, there is a trend away from "loud" clothing? And this applies to Picard?
 
The loudest clothing we've had in the last century has been from the '70s. The cycle seems to be: there's a norm, something else begins to take over, then it gets carried away, then the next thing comes which is a direct reaction to that and goes the totally opposite way, rinse, repeat.
 
The loudest clothing we've had in the last century has been from the '70s. The cycle seems to be: there's a norm, something else begins to take over, then it gets carried away, then the next thing comes which is a direct reaction to that and goes the totally opposite way, rinse, repeat.
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What will humanity do without zippers? O_o

Zippers are essential to the intelligent, optimistic, utopian vision that Gene established for all Star Trek. So, without zippers, Star Trek Picard is singlehandedly the worst piece of fiction, in any format, ever presented to an audience in all recorded human history.

Offensive, horrifying, disgusting. I can't put it any more clearly than that.

We should talk more about it. It's worth a discussion.
 
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It can also be used to reinforce historical parallels; the Centauri of Babylon 5 dressed like they were from Renaissance Italy to help convey the idea of a monarchical society dominated by noble houses, for instance.
And that's why Picard doesn't stand out to me as being contemporary. The colors feel reflective of more muted outfits that reflect a time after a war. In essence, it reflects the gray uniforms of Starfleet and the Dominion War. While some have left it behind (Starfleet trying to with the more colorful uniforms) Picard has not, and Raffi has not, and Freecloud is not a part of the Federation and reflects that more frontier feel.

Regardless, I can agree at any point with the supposition of the OP that Picard is "cheap."
 
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