That much is certain. The fact that he, as a writer, created the script which introduced these characters means that he'd be getting paid.
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That much is certain. The fact that he, as a writer, created the script which introduced these characters means that he'd be getting paid.
That much is certain. The fact that he, as a writer, created the script which introduced these characters means that he'd be getting paid.
Won't his family get paid for every episode that the characters appear in?
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I want Anson Mount to look like this on the show, in a uniform of course.
Spock should occasional smiling, and shout at inapproprate times.
I want Anson Mount to look like this on the show, in a uniform of course.
Overshadow????? In what way?My point exactly! Why they have this need to try to overshadow TOS is beyond me!!!
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I don't think the writers have the self-control to not give us emotional Spock. Like I said in another post, I imagine we will see Spock on an accelerated character like they did in the Abrams films. I don't expect the character to be anything like TOS Spock when all is said and done.
It would take something really special to overshadow TOS.
Yep. There is a compulsion today to have characters that are somehow broken so the multitudes in the audience who feel broken can relate and thus identify with the characters more.
Bullshit.
We know the characters we love have their challenges, but they still function and excell without wallowing in their grief. In STC they felt compelled to "fix" Kirk so that he was more introspective than we already saw him in TOS and the films. He had to be more like Picard. They invented a character so her loss would be so overwhelming it would drive Spock to seek Kolihnar--it just had to be explained. Sarek's issues with Spock's choices aren't enough so they need to mess with Spock's head even more to explain his wonkiness as seen in "The Cage"--it needs to be explained beyond the mere notion of young Spock trying to try different things to figure out what kind of person he will be like many young adults do. Nope, he has to be fucked up somehow or it's not real enough. They just have to have Pike have a foreshadowing of his fate to mess with his head rather than accept that shit happens no one can foresee.
I am thoroughly sick of this crap on top of all the other crap they do with Trek. It's why I have seen less than half of DS9, little of VOY and ENT and next to nothing of DSC and PIC. It's why I probably won't bother with SNW.
Thing is, they are just replaying what already happened in TOS. Spock seemed more standoffish in season three, then he lost Zarabeth in "All Our Yesterdays". That to me was the perfect segue into Kolinahr and The Motion Picture. Much like Michael Burnham seems redundant when we already understood Spock's troubles with his father (at least I sure did).
I would imagine we will see lots of replaying of Spock's character arc in Strange New Worlds. But this Spock isn't Nimoy's, or Fontana's, or Roddenberry's Spock, he is a Spock for a new generation of viewers and that is how I'll treat the character. Broad strokes will be roughly the same, the details will be different.
You can't go home again. As its own thing, it is a little early to judge the quality of Strange New Worlds.
I think it'll be fun.
I can't say how good the series will be, as I've not seen it yet, but I can say that I like these actors in these roles and I look forward to seeing more of them.
They'll get the continuity and vernacular of the 23rd century wrong- characters will say things like "away team" or "replicator" or some other thing that has no impact on the storytelling whatsoever but will annoy me nonetheless... but I know that going in.
As long as the show is entertaining and the characters are engaging, I'm all in.
I can't say how good the series will be, as I've not seen it yet, but I can say that I like these actors in these roles and I look forward to seeing more of them.
They'll get the continuity and vernacular of the 23rd century wrong- characters will say things like "away team" or "replicator" or some other thing that has no impact on the storytelling whatsoever but will annoy me nonetheless... but I know that going in.
As long as the show is entertaining and the characters are engaging, I'm all in.
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That was probably me.
That much is certain. The fact that he, as a writer, created the script which introduced these characters means that he'd be getting paid.
Gene's Vision was getting paid. That never changed from the time he sold his first script to network television until he was no longer involved in the Trek franchise on a daily basis.
That's pretty much a given I think and it is something I can live with. What I fear is some inexplicable radical change to Spock that ruins the character and doesn't make any sense, which given SNW is made by the same people who made Discovery isn't beyond the realms of possibility.
But whatever they do, doesn’t ruin TOS Spock for me. TOS is in a class by itself.
Truth.
Kelvin Timeline Spock grew up in a different timeline after around his third birthday so Quinto's Spock being different in temperament from both Nimoy's and Peck's doesn't bother me at all. He's still sufficiently Vulcan and Spock-like.
Probably not, no. But I wish they'd realize that doing that loses all shock value if it happens constantly.
Except for all those times he loses his temper and starts wailing on the nearest available person. Which happened about once per movie, IIRC.
I enjoy flawed heroes with feet of clay that I can identify with, and also I enjoy larger than life heroes who are aspirational. Depends on my mood and what I want out of a particular piece of fiction. I just have trouble with it when people try to transform a hero of one type into the other.
"Away team" is a particular bugaboo of mine and it totally throws me out of the story whenever I hear in the context of a TOS era story. But as far as I could tell, DSC never made that error. (Unfortunately, I can't use Star Trek Script Search to confirm it, but I don't recall noticing it.)
All of Star Trek is fan fiction of one kind or another. Pretty much everyone who's written Trek since the mid 80s was a fan to some degree. It's just that some fans have managed to get their ST fan fiction professionally produced or published.
I'm looking forward to it. There's a chance that Star Trek will be fun again with this group. Anson Mount was fabulous as Pike. He had energy and spark and was a damned good captain. The original cast is 1) dead or done with Trek and 2) never going to be topped anyway. Those two things alone will just have me judge the series on its own merits. It will either be good or it won't.
I'm don't give a rat's ass if the tech it "too advanced to be before the prime timeline's Kirk and Pike." That stuff is just off my radar now. Going back to 60's style sets and designs will make it a "awesome for fans" and cheesy for new viewers. Keep the series and its surroundings in the spirit of the original and I'll be fine.
I just want a well written, swashbuckling and fun space adventure with a positive look at humanitiy's future while telling stories of substance about alien worlds whose life choices reflect what troubles us right now. I don't care if foreheads have ridges anymore (Enterprise broke me out of that mindset), or if Pike's communicator is transparent with radio transistors inside or if it's black with gold trim and a screen lid. I have the original series to watch if I want that so badly.
A series with the Enterprise again? F'n lead me to it.
I'm don't give a rat's ass if the tech it "too advanced to be before the prime timeline's Kirk and Pike." That stuff is just off my radar now. Going back to 60's style sets and designs will make it a "awesome for fans" and cheesy for new viewers. Keep the series and its surroundings in the spirit of the original and I'll be fine.
I just want a well written, swashbuckling and fun space adventure with a positive look at humanitiy's future while telling stories of substance about alien worlds whose life choices reflect what troubles us right now. I don't care if foreheads have ridges anymore (Enterprise broke me out of that mindset), or if Pike's communicator is transparent with radio transistors inside or if it's black with gold trim and a screen lid. I have the original series to watch if I want that so badly.
A series with the Enterprise again? F'n lead me to it.
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