People gotta vent, because, well, the Thing is a horrible failed excuse for a finale, IMHO, and a slap in the face to those of us who faithfully followed the show through thick and thin and character inconsistencies and preemptions and fandom disparagement and weekend airings at 2am and terrible promotion by UPN-- remember that lame-o networklet? it died a well-earned death the year after it killed ENT. This was not a good way to repay our loyalty. I am happy to ensure a place for disaffected fans to commiserate and throw brickbats at this idiotic crapfest to their broken hearts' content.Ooh, another TATV thread. I know the moderators love when these pop up. This must be the 1569'th TATV is the worse finale in the history of Star Trek (probably of all time) thread.
Sorry, but every idiot with a web cam and an opinion doesn't need to start a youtube channel.
Sorry, but every idiot with a web cam and an opinion doesn't need to start a youtube channel.
his summation of the episode is pretty spot on to exactly how I, and everyone else, felt when the episode aired. It's was an story about Riker and not the characters we had been following for several seasons!
If it was a normal episode and set on the Titan, no one would have had a issue with it.
and to kill off Trip, the most well-developed character on the series, to boot, it was very dismissive
It's worth considering that Braga had wanted to kill off Seven of Nine (a character he loved) in the Voyager finale, I can see him and Berman thinking that fans love TWoK where Spock sacrificed himself so fans will love a heroic death in general (well the fans didn't love Generations but we can do better now).
"He's not dead, he's just in purgatory." With no follow-on DS9 stories after the finale, he will be in there, FOREVER. But he's not dead...was also to kill off Sisko.
"He's not dead, he's just in purgatory." With no follow-on DS9 stories after the finale, he will be in there, FOREVER. But he's not dead...![]()
This concept can work IF the character has a "good death" -- a noble sacrifice, righting a wrong, closing a chapter in a life-affirming way. When it works, the viewer is sad, but uplifted as well. In Star Trek II, Spock's death was a good death. The last scene of STII eloquently acknowledged that. "He's not dead, as long as we remember him." "I feel young."The idea to have a major character death, while not the most original idea, I can understand them wanting to do it, and I feel that Enterprise was very much Trip's series, so his death would really mean the end of the show, making TATV the most final of any series finale.
This concept can work IF the character has a "good death" -- a noble sacrifice, righting a wrong, closing a chapter in a life-affirming way. When it works, the viewer is sad, but uplifted as well. In Star Trek II, Spock's death was a good death. The last scene of STII eloquently acknowledged that. "He's not dead, as long as we remember him." "I feel young."
Now look at TATV. Trip dies in the stupidest way imaginable, considering he's a resourceful engineer, a senior officer who often captained the ship, who regularly got the ship out of crises, and MacGyvered his way out of an impossible situation in just the previous episode, which was fresh in our minds. He blew himself up, for crying out loud-- to stop generic, really kinda dopey aliens. The writers tried to make Trip's death "mean" something, but it was totally undermined by the contrived circumstances (where was Reed and Security?) and Trip's totally out-of-character "Well dang it all, Ah guess mah brain done turned to mud, so Ah'd better blow mahself up real good" solution.I suppose you'd expect such a low-level game plan from a yokel who prepared himself to serve as Chief Engineer on a Warp 5 starship by working on boat engines. *insert emoji of my eyes rolling right out of my head* And how did the crew react afterward? Like Kirk and McCoy in STII? Nope, it was all about those crappy seats at the memorial.
Needless to say, I did not feel uplifted by Trip's passing. Or even sad. More likeand then
, which is where I remain to this day. Not just because I was a loyal fan, but because the Beebs earned more money in one season than most of us will see in a lifetime, and THEY COULDN'T BOTHER.
This was lazy writing, pure and simple. The Beebs did good work in the past, but they did no favors to their reputations by phoning in this episode-- or rather, pulling a dusty old script off the shelf and thinking it would be a slam-bang finale for TV StarTrek and TNG, by using the ENT cast as holodeck cardboard cutout props. They couldn't even take a week-- even a day!-- to do a quick polish that, oh I dunno, promoted some officers? Referenced the Romulan War? Put Trip & T'Pol together rather than mention a breakup that made no sense? (Consider the sweet sorrow of a "good" Trip death if he and T'Pol had been a couple. This is not rocket science, folks.) Acknowledged events to bring the obsolete script up to speed? If not to the Enterprise storyline, which they clearly didn't give a crap about, but jeez, just updating their precious TNG characters? C'mon. Not a lot of respect for the craft, much less the ENT fans, on display here.
Even the Terminator's "death" in T2 had way more emotional impact for me. It was a cyborg with a computer brain, but it sacrificed itself to save the human race it was originally programmed to destroy. I could probably name 50 more good deaths, but it's past 3am here, lol.
Trip dies in the stupidest way imaginable, considering he's a resourceful engineer, a senior officer
I suppose you'd expect such a low-level game plan from a yokel who prepared himself to serve as Chief Engineer on a Warp 5 starship by working on boat engines.
Put Trip & T'Pol together rather than mention a breakup that made no sense?
...Trip's totally out-of-character "Well dang it all, Ah guess mah brain done turned to mud, so Ah'd better blow mahself up real good" solution.I suppose you'd expect such a low-level game plan from a yokel who prepared himself to serve as Chief Engineer on a Warp 5 starship by working on boat engines. *insert emoji of my eyes rolling right out of my head*
I am glad that the novels undone TATV, though I got to say, outside of "The Good Men Do" and maybe "Kobayashi Maru" it felt like they stretched credulity to keep Trip in the story. It might have been best to just let the character go away after that.
Although I think I read on this forum that Coto also would not have brought Trip and T'Pol together again if the series had continued.
This concept can work IF the character has a "good death" -- a noble sacrifice, righting a wrong, closing a chapter in a life-affirming way. When it works, the viewer is sad, but uplifted as well. In Star Trek II, Spock's death was a good death. The last scene of STII eloquently acknowledged that. "He's not dead, as long as we remember him." "I feel young."
Now look at TATV. Trip dies in the stupidest way imaginable, considering he's a resourceful engineer, a senior officer who often captained the ship, who regularly got the ship out of crises, and MacGyvered his way out of an impossible situation in just the previous episode, which was fresh in our minds. He blew himself up, for crying out loud-- to stop generic, really kinda dopey aliens. The writers tried to make Trip's death "mean" something, but it was totally undermined by the contrived circumstances (where was Reed and Security?) and Trip's totally out-of-character "Well dang it all, Ah guess mah brain done turned to mud, so Ah'd better blow mahself up real good" solution.I suppose you'd expect such a low-level game plan from a yokel who prepared himself to serve as Chief Engineer on a Warp 5 starship by working on boat engines. *insert emoji of my eyes rolling right out of my head* And how did the crew react afterward? Like Kirk and McCoy in STII? Nope, it was all about those crappy seats at the memorial.
Needless to say, I did not feel uplifted by Trip's passing. Or even sad. More likeand then
, which is where I remain to this day. Not just because I was a loyal fan, but because the Beebs earned more money in one season than most of us will see in a lifetime, and THEY COULDN'T BOTHER.
This was lazy writing, pure and simple. The Beebs did good work in the past, but they did no favors to their reputations by phoning in this episode-- or rather, pulling a dusty old script off the shelf and thinking it would be a slam-bang finale for TV StarTrek and TNG, by using the ENT cast as holodeck cardboard cutout props. They couldn't even take a week-- even a day!-- to do a quick polish that, oh I dunno, promoted some officers? Referenced the Romulan War? Put Trip & T'Pol together rather than mention a breakup that made no sense? (Consider the sweet sorrow of a "good" Trip death if he and T'Pol had been a couple. This is not rocket science, folks.) Acknowledged events to bring the obsolete script up to speed? If not to the Enterprise storyline, which they clearly didn't give a crap about, but jeez, just updating their precious TNG characters? C'mon. Not a lot of respect for the craft, much less the ENT fans, on display here.
Even the Terminator's "death" in T2 had way more emotional impact for me. It was a cyborg with a computer brain, but it sacrificed itself to save the human race it was originally programmed to destroy. I could probably name 50 more good deaths, but it's past 3am here, lol.
Rather have seen Shatner in the role.Riker’s appearance as chef could have been explained as being his Canadian ancestor that was moving to Alaska.
I wonder about Trip being first officer originally. They should of had a doctor scheduled for the ship, but a no show because of Phlox. So maybe there was a unseen first officer who went elsewhere owing to T'pol.[/QUOTE]Not to forget, he was the one who intended to be Archer's first officer, if T'Pol didn't stay with them. He was "the" second best
The boat motor thing was a put down by Hoshi, not something from Trip himself, as I remembera yokel who prepared himself to serve as Chief Engineer on a Warp 5 starship by working on boat engines.
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