They do, apparently, smoke.
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They do, apparently, smoke.
only post-coital
Holo addiction.
Hard to conclusively rate after only 5 episodes. I generally like them, but the habit of writers (not only in ST) to give characters a trauma in their past annoys me a little. Nevertheless, Rios is my favorite so far. Sure, he is kind of a cool Han Solo type guy but OTOH also an anti-Han Solo at the same time, "Starfleet to the core" with a clean, impeccable ship as opposed to the Millennium Falcon. I really want to know more about the ibn Majid and what happened there.
Jurati is quite a rollercoaster, she goes from light-hearted to (almost) comic-relief to "Die, my love."
I hope there will be a decent explanation for Raffi's discharge from Starfleet.
Only in your head canon. Picard doesn't cultivate coffee beans, his brother barely knows what synthehol is.
Alcohol is still a thing people (heavily) indulge in.
They also get drunk at the end of the episode.
We learn that Sisko enjoys it too.
Starfleet officers.
Alternate timeline, if Paris stayed on Earth.
Jurati is quite a rollercoaster, she goes from light-hearted to (almost) comic-relief to "Die, my love."
I hope there will be a decent explanation for Raffi's discharge from Starfleet.
Only in your head canon. Picard doesn't cultivate coffee beans, his brother barely knows what synthehol is.Alcohol is still a thing people (heavily) indulge in.
- TNG "Family"
They also get drunk at the end of the episode.
- TNG "Relics"
- DS9 "Field of Fire"
We learn that Sisko enjoys it too.
- DS9 "Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges"
Starfleet officers.
-VOY "Non Sequitur"
Alternate timeline, if Paris stayed on Earth.
I don't think so. In your head they do perhaps. Or in Kurtzman's, Chabon's, Goldman's, or whoever wrote that ****.
Everything you cited just proves my point made earlier, namely that in Trek people only occasionally consume alcoholic beverages (Pike, Scotty, Guinan's Ten Forward, Quark's bar, etc.), usually in social setting, they don't abuse alcohol, they don't use it to escape from reality or "dull their pain". That's exactly what those (badly written) characters do. Even Seven drinks one glass of whiskey after another. What's the message of that? It's OK to abuse alcohol? It's OK to use drugs to escape your problems? Trek always had a social commentary on those things, which was also the case with the aforementioned episode The Neutral Zone, which depicted the foolishness of excessive alcohol consumption by contrasting that 20th century guy with the crew of the Enterprise, or about drugs in the episode Symbiosis. Here in $TP it's basically showing characters drowning their problems in alcohol. Not mere appearance of alcohol represents an issue here or its occasional use, which some here are desperately trying to prove by referencing some isolated examples of alcohol consumption in Star Trek, but its abuse and use as a means of choice for "dealing with your (emotional and other) issues". Hence the objection of depicting alcoholism as something casual, almost positive and normal, as well as drug use. BS.
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Yeah, I think there is reading in to the work/wish fulfillment than what's explicitly in the text.
Actually, I took that as a compliment...
"What a piece of work is DaveyNY!
How noble in reason, how infinite in faculty!
In form and moving how express and admirable!
In action how like an angel, in apprehension how like a god!
The beauty of the world. The paragon of animals."
<Shakespeare : HAMLET - Act 1, Scene 2>
(my apologies to the Author)
... though I'm sure it was an attempt at an uneducated slight.
I often find when dealing with folks who attempt to climb to my level, that they often shoot themselves in the foot and then fall off the cliff.
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Where do you see it being depicted in 700+ episodes?
No, he didn't. He even asks the doctor why he thinks he needs a Martini after he offers it to him.
Hamlet was insulting you, too.Actually, I took that as a compliment...
"What a piece of work is a man!
How noble in reason, how infinite in faculty!
In form and moving how express and admirable!
In action how like an angel, in apprehension how like a god!
The beauty of the world. The paragon of animals."
Shakespeare : HAMLET - Act 1, Scene 2
... though I'm sure it was an attempt at an uneducated slight.
I often find when dealing with folks who attempt to climb to my level, that they often shoot themselves in the foot and then fall off the cliff.
Yeah, but he had Mommy & Daddy issues.Hamlet was insulting you, too.
I'm good in that dept. and this one is just too easy.
Note to self: don't name your child Hamlet.Yeah, but he had Mommy & Daddy issues.
I'm good in that dept. and this one is just too easy.
I challenge you to a Shakespeare Dance Off!Actually, I took that as a compliment...
"What a piece of work is DaveyNY!
How noble in reason, how infinite in faculty!
In form and moving how express and admirable!
In action how like an angel, in apprehension how like a god!
The beauty of the world. The paragon of animals."
<Shakespeare : HAMLET - Act 1, Scene 2>
(my apologies to the Author)
... though I'm sure it was an attempt at an uneducated slight.
I often find when dealing with folks who attempt to climb to my level, that they often shoot themselves in the foot and then fall off the cliff.
(Is that a Shake Off?)
Fallacy.
Given that humans are biologically unchanged and alcohol is still consumed the onus is on you to demonstrate a reason to believe something has changed. It's not a question of where we see it portrayed (although I'd say seeing a Starship captain drinking on duty to relieve stress or a doctor having a bottle in the sickbay is enough to qualify in the 23rd), it's down to you to show it doesn't happen.
Given that we know alcohol remains a popular product and we know perfectly well abuse of other drugs remains an issue (despite your assertion to the contrary), so why would alcohol be the exception?
Where does it ever say in Star Trek that alcoholism has been eradicated in the future?
Anywhere?
Is this the place to mention the severe caffeine addiction Janeway had?
I only "Shake Off" after the fact.
You got time to wait?
Shouldn't be more than a couple of minutes at my age.
One can't provide evidence for something that isn't there (doesn't exist), only for something that is there, i.e. exists. So the burden of proving it is actually yours, not mine.
While I would agree that people in Star Trek are far from perfect, they're not gods (not even gods are perfect!), they nevertheless have left some bad habits behind.
Based upon what? We see holo addiction, alcohol production as well caffeine addiction.
Not sure where the evidence is for the lack addiction.
Not sure where the evidence is for the lack addiction.
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