Patrick Stewart has seen first 5 episodes, hopes fans won't be disappointed

[Lynx]

I'm disappointed that the thing is being made at all. Pretending it's still the 80s is only marginally less embarrassing than pretending it's still the 60s.

But the 80's and 90's were much more fun than the dreadful boring 2010's with its lousy entertainment.
As it is today, I have no expectations that the 2020's will be more fun.

Therefore I hope that "Picard" will be more like TNG, DS9 and Voyager than the boring "Enterprise" and the horrible "Discovery".

 

[fireproof78]

Why? In TNG era Star Trek they have sensors that can determine the amount of dust in a room from orbit. Trek ship designs in general are dumb dating all the way back to TOS with the Bridge being totally exposed and (in most cases) at the top of the ship.

If anything the Bridge should be deep within the ship, in the most protected area - with the sick bay right next door. But not on Star Trek - or virtually any science fiction IP involving spacecraft.

Exactly.

 

[TRON JA307020]

But the 80's and 90's were much more fun than the dreadful boring 2010's with its lousy entertainment.
As it is today, I have no expectations that the 2020's will be more fun.

Therefore I hope that "Picard" will be more like TNG, DS9 and Voyager than the boring "Enterprise" and the horrible "Discovery".

Yup.

 

[fireproof78]

As it is today, I have no expectations that the 2020's will be more fun.

Why should it be?

 

[Paul Weaver]

Similarly the this holds true for having a sound of a ships engines audible in the vacuum of space - to not do so would be boring.

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[ozzfloyd]

Not in a space battle. It leaves the bridge more exposed and let’s enemies view who’s there during a battle

Been in a lot of space battles I assume?

 

[cooleddie74]

If the TOS Movie Era viewscreen had been a window then Khan and the Augments aboard the Reliant could have seen Kirk and Spock up to no good and scheming to use the Reliant's prefix code to lower her shields. Because it wasn't a window they didn't.

Khan clearly couldn't see anything but Kirk talking to him because that viewscreen was an electronic monitor like a flatscreen television.

 

[fireproof78]

It's a window. If it is that problematic for people to see things then perhaps don't put the bridge on top.

Honestly, don't know about anyone else's eye sight, but I doubt that they could see exactly through to another ship perfectly well to see what they are doing and guess their intent. Stretch of logic all the way.

But, given how terrible the weapons are in Star Trek perhaps the crew dying quickly to the vacuum of space is preferred, instead of consoles exploding.

 

[Paul Weaver]

Honestly, don't know about anyone else's eye sight, but I doubt that they could see exactly through to another ship perfectly well to see what they are doing and guess their intent. Stretch of logic all the way.

If the window allows photons to escape (as it apparently does), and shields don't stop them (as they apparently don't), anyone with a telescope / optical sensor can see when the captain is on the bridge.

Would be a bit awkward if the captain tells the comms officer to mute the channel, but the adversary has a lipreader on board.

 

[Tuskin38]

Yup.

Nope.

 

[fireproof78]

If the window allows photons to escape (as it apparently does), and shields don't stop them (as they apparently don't), anyone with a telescope / optical sensor can see when the captain is on the bridge.

Would be a bit awkward if the captain tells the comms officer to mute the channel, but the adversary has a lipreader on board.

By that logic the ship's viewer is basically a giant webcam that could be hacked at any moment. Sure hope they don't have any hackers on board. That would be awkward.

Oh, and you just walk away from the window. Weird thing about windows. They are stationary so I don't have to stand in front of it. Kirk even turns himself around because Khan is still on the screen.

Or, even better, perhaps there are armor shudders for the viewscreen. But, I think the benefits of being able to look out a window if the power goes out is more useful than just a blank screen.

Mileage will vary.

 

[Paul Weaver]

But, I think the benefits of being able to look out a window if the power goes out is more useful than just a blank screen.

Space is big. If you have a shuttle that's a mere 200 km directly in front, it would be far far smaller than the ISS when viewed overhead from earth.

An enourmous romulan warbird (770m wide) would be smaller than the moon looks from Earth when it was a mere 45km away - and of course far far dimmer. That's with station keeping too.

Looking out the window in space is pretty much irellevent unless you're docking - you need a telescope (or some other form of sensor)

 

[fireproof78]

Space is big. If you have a shuttle that's a mere 200 km directly in front, it would be far far smaller than the ISS when viewed overhead from earth.

An enourmous romulan warbird (770m wide) would be smaller than the moon looks from Earth when it was a mere 45km away - and of course far far dimmer. That's with station keeping too.

Looking out the window in space is pretty much irellevent unless you're docking

These arguments against a window get weird. Space is both too big to see things and people can see you do stuff through the window...

To me, a window is aesthetically pleasing, in an emergency situation can be used to assess immediate surroundings for danger, and the bridge is no less safe than it was before, namely being extremely unsafe being at the top of the ship.

 

[Paul Weaver]

People with sensors (including Lorca's telescope) can see what you're doing if you have a window

People without sensors (i.e. just their eyes -- ignoring Geordi/Data type vision) can see bugger all unless the object you're looking at is enormous and pretty much inside your shield perimeter

A window allows information to escape to prying eyes and has pretty much zero benefits other than looking nice. They're great in places like quarters and Ten Forward, but not on the bridge.

Now I do concede that a bridge at the top of the ship (including the battle bridge IIRC) isn't a great place for a bridge, and clearly for the benefit of TV it looks cool when we have a zoom in on the window (including Picard's very first shot in encounter at farpoint)

 

[fireproof78]

Now I do concede that a bridge at the top of the ship (including the battle bridge IIRC) isn't a great place for a bridge, and clearly for the benefit of TV it looks cool when we have a zoom in on the window (including Picard's very first shot in encounter at farpoint)

Well, since practicality is jettisoned with the Bridge position being where it is, might as well with a window too to be cinematic.

has pretty much zero benefits other than looking nice.

Yes, that is a benefit. One that gets overlooked in a supposed "post scarcity" society.

 

[Paul Weaver]

The D has a window, rarely seen of course.

As far as TV goes yes, a window is cool

As far as actual starship design goes, the bridge is on the top as the idea is that the bridge is replaceable as a module (which seems a stretch, and if you did have that, a modular column 6 decks deep would work just as well).

I guess the theory is that it's not a warship, and by the time the shields have failed, any weapons capable of damaging the bridge would just as easilly destroy the entire ship.

 

[fireproof78]

I guess the theory is that it's not a warship, and by the time the shields have failed, any weapons capable of damaging the bridge would just as easilly destroy the entire ship.

Which is why a window is a non issue to me. I'd rather have one with the vague possibility it might help in an emergency, than to not. That's me, though. And, if the shields are what is protecting the Bridge than a window is going to fail once the shields fail, just like a bulkhead would fail.

Oh well...

 

[Alan Roi]

But the 80's and 90's were much more fun than the dreadful boring 2010's with its lousy entertainment.
As it is today, I have no expectations that the 2020's will be more fun.

Therefore I hope that "Picard" will be more like TNG, DS9 and Voyager than the boring "Enterprise" and the horrible "Discovery".

Nostaglia is one of the most powerful psychotropic drugs humanity has ever come across. Anyone not blinded by its power gets to enjoy more and better scifi TV every year now than we got in each of the decades of the 80s and 90s. Those under the thrall of nostalgia can only grumply complain about how great 'the good old days' used to be and prevent themselves from enjoying the cornucopia that is laid out before them.

 

[NewHeavensNewEarth]

People with sensors (including Lorca's telescope) can see what you're doing if you have a window

People without sensors (i.e. just their eyes -- ignoring Geordi/Data type vision) can see bugger all unless the object you're looking at is enormous and pretty much inside your shield perimeter

A window allows information to escape to prying eyes and has pretty much zero benefits other than looking nice. They're great in places like quarters and Ten Forward, but not on the bridge.

Now I do concede that a bridge at the top of the ship (including the battle bridge IIRC) isn't a great place for a bridge, and clearly for the benefit of TV it looks cool when we have a zoom in on the window (including Picard's very first shot in encounter at farpoint)

So you're saying the Duras sisters shouldn't have bothered with Geordi's visor, and instead should've parked the cloaked BoP outside an Engineering window like peeping toms, and gotten the shield frequency thusly?

Oh my....

 

[fireproof78]

Nostaglia is one of the most powerful psychotropic drugs humanity has ever come across. Anyone not blinded by its power gets to enjoy more and better scifi TV every year now than we got in each of the decades of the 80s and 90s. Those under the thrall of nostalgia can only grumply complain about how great 'the good old days' used to be and prevent themselves from enjoying the cornucopia that is laid out before them.

Nostalgia is close to being weaponized in current culture.

So you're saying the Duras sisters shouldn't have bothered with Geordi's visor, and instead should've parked the cloaked BoP outside an Engineering window like peeping toms, and gotten the shield frequency thusly?

Oh my....

Well, I mean, they can cloak...I'm sure no one would notice...