Michael B. Jordan as the Man Of Steel?

[BillJ]

Superman is who he has been portrayed for the last 70 plus years. Changing those cores doesn't make him Superman anymore.

Superman has changed quite a bit since his inception. Which is natural, considering the amount of change we've had in the world since he was introduced.

I have two requirements from an actor playing the character, that he be able to act and that they have the physique needed for the character. Whether he is Clark Kent or Calvin Ellis, I have no problem with opening up the race that plays the character.

For me, I'm pretty attached to the original Star Trek gang, I've been watching for forty-plus years now. I have no issue with them changing the race of Kirk and/or Spock. I just want good actors playing the parts.

 

[Gov Kodos]

Bass Reeves was born a slave and was owned by a Confederate military officer. He most certainly dealt with racism and "black man troubles."

That's what I found lacking in The Wild Wild West, a feeling of too smooth sailing for Jim in that film.

 

[CorporalClegg]

 

[Timby]

I know you have the best of intentions but you won't change my mind on this matter. Superman is who he has been portrayed for the last 70 plus years. Changing those cores doesn't make him Superman anymore.

Maybe it's also a case of people are tired of seeing Superman fight Zod or Lex Luthor in his movies instead of say Darkseid or having a War World story taking place off Earth where he has to deal with Mongul.

Literally nothing about Superman's character includes the aspect of "is white."

 

[ichab]

No thank you cast a black Superman and I won't watch it. Grown-up with Christoper Reeve/Dean Cain/Brendan Routh/Henry Cavil and the Superman/Justice League animated series it just wouldn't be Superman to me.

If you want to make a black Superman type film then make an Icon or Martian Manhunter film, or you have different Superheroes like Kaldur'ahm (Aqualad/man), John Stewart Green Lantern, Cyborg, Mister Terrific, Vixen,

Sorry but I'm tired of all this diversity and woke nonsense in Hollywood.

There's nothing wrong with diversity, the trouble is taking an iconic character with a long and established history,changing his entire makeup and then expecting the fans of that character to eat it up. It doesn't work, and I doubt that WB is going in that direction. Someone earlier mentioned an alternate universe Superman similiar to Miles Morales's Spiderman. That would work and you wouldn't get any where near the blow back from the fanbase as you would with changing Clark Kent, because now you would be creating a new character. Not sure why this is so hard for some to understand.

Anyways, in other casting news...

David Corenswet Replaces Henry Cavill As Superman In Cool New Fan Art

Ever since J. J. Abrams signed a new deal to develop content for WarnerMedia, the filmmaker has been rumored to be a potential contender to helm a new Superman film. Now, digital artist “jscomicart” has released a new photo that imagines David Corenswet as the actor who will succeed Henry Cavill as Superman in a potential J. J. Abrams film about the Man of Steel.

David Corenswet recently discussed his desire to portray Superman in a feature film. However, David Corenswet noted that he would prefer to depict a more optimistic Superman than Henry Cavill’s version.

Do you think David Corenswet would make a great Superman? What do you think of the above depiction of David Corenswet as the Man of Steel? Let us know your thoughts on the idea of David Corenswet as Superman in the comments!

It's an internet rumour, so take with a very heavy grain of salt. But this actor certainly looks the part.

 

[BillJ]

...changing his entire makeup and then expecting the fans of that character to eat it up.

They aren’t eating up what is being produced now.

 

[ichab]

They aren’t eating up what is being produced now.

Last standalone Superman movie did over $600 million worldwide and currently has an audience score of 75%. I'd say they are eating it fine.

 

[Awesome Possum]

I just don’t see how Superman being black would change anything about him. The interesting thing about him is that he’s a living god with the heart and soul of a man. He grew up thinking he was a human with unusual abilities, so he has the same hopes and desires as the rest of us. He can’t be harmed, but he can be hurt emotionally or when he fails to save someone. It’s even worse when it’s someone close to him.

Superman: The Movie got that, so long as you write the character knowing that he’s relatable regardless of how he looks.

 

[CorporalClegg]

I just don’t see how Superman being black would change anything about him.

It doesn't. And I and others have asked people to name one good reason beyond "[racist] fans won't like it" as to why Superman must be white. Crickets.

But now that you mention it, there is this other God with the heart and soul of a man who's been around for a while. I think Superman makes passing reference to him from time to time. His white appearance (light hair and eyes) is also "iconic." About that...

 

[Awesome Possum]

It doesn't. And I and others have asked people to name one good reason beyond "[racist] fans won't like it" as to why Superman must be white. Crickets.

But now that you mention it, there is this other God with the heart and soul of a man who's been around for a while. I think Superman makes passing reference to him from time to time. His white appearance (light hair and eyes) is also "iconic." About that...

They used to call him Ol’ Blue Eyes and his skin was so pale it had an unearthly glow. Perfectly natural for a man born in the Middle East.

 

[Spectre Of The Fun]

So you can only relate to a living god from space raised by farmers if he’s white? It honestly speaks of some level of bias, perhaps unconsciously. I’m not a white man, but I can relate to male characters regardless of their race in movies. Movies are empathy generating machines, they make us connect to the characters however different. People were able to connect to aliens in District 9 and they were giant bugs. Certain experiences are universal and that’s what a good movie aims for. The fact that you say you can’t relate to a black Superman but can to a white one isn’t a good sign.


No, it’s calling it woke that raises red flags. Using that as an insult is a dog whistle for bigots, along with several other phrases you’ve used. So while you may not be actually racist, you just talk and act exactly like they do online. You may want to show more awareness in the future.

I appreciate that you are trying to explain to doylem1 what you take issue with and why. Your attitude is constructive and one of "listen to where people are coming from." I've noticed that you make this effort with people consistently and only reluctantly give up if it gets you nowhere or if they get personal and nasty. You are doing it right (not that you need my approval). I know I have sometimes gotten it wrong.

I also love what you have to say about movies (or any art) allowing for universal connections and empathy.

 

[gblews]

If you won't watch something simply because of the skin colour of the actor then.

I wouldn't watch it because I have no interest in seeing Superman race changed,

I don't think you really read this stuff as you're writing it.

And by that last sentence, I am fed up with Hollywood forcing a political agenda into their movies with race, feminism, and gender-swapping just to tick a box and pander/virtue signal to the twitter/woke crowd who don't even go watch the movies.

As long as the studios make as certain as they usually do that they have the best cast and production staff as possible, why do you object to diversity "for the sake of diversity?"

 

[Awesome Possum]

I appreciate that you are trying to explain to doylem1 what you take issue with and why. Your attitude is constructive and one of "listen to where people are coming from." I've noticed that you make this effort with people consistently and only reluctantly give up if it gets you nowhere or if they get personal and nasty. You are doing it right (not that you need my approval). I know I have sometimes gotten it wrong.

I also love what you have to say about movies (or any art) allowing for universal connections and empathy.

I try and I get the thing about movies from a Roger Ebert quote that always stuck with me.

We all are born with a certain package. We are who we are: where we were born, who we were born as, how we were raised. We're kind of stuck inside that person, and the purpose of civilization and growth is to be able to reach out and empathize a little bit with other people. And for me, the movies are like a machine that generates empathy. It lets you understand a little bit more about different hopes, aspirations, dreams and fears. It helps us to identify with the people who are sharing this journey with us.

 

[CorporalClegg]

You know, the other night I fell into a Youtube abyss watching old At the Movies clips. Rog was pretty fuking woke, especially when it came to the presentation of women on screen. And I know he and Gene's issues were old news. But there were a few times were Gene would make some questionable remark about a female actor and Rog would go full

 

[Grendelsbayne]

judging by the recent failures of Ghostbusters 2016, Terminator Dark Fate, Charlies Angels, X-Men Dark Phoenix, Fantastic Four 2015 at the box office I may not be alone in that opinion.

Um, who was gender or race swapped in Dark Fate and Dark Phoenix? Because unless I'm missing someone, based on this list it kind of sounds like having an established female character get focus in a sequel is already too much 'wokeness' for you, even though that literally isn't about changing any character's basic identity at all.

 

[doylem1]

Whatever I'm not apologizing for my opinion, people want to label me a racist fine , who cares water off ducks back.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

My conscious is clear.

It's "conscience," not "conscious."

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Whatever I'm not apologizing for my opinion, people want to label me a racist fine , who cares water off ducks back.

Well, when you start railing against 'race' and 'gender-swapping' specifically and then rattle off a list of movies that includes names which literally don't have *any* race or gender swapping in them, then it kind of begs the question what the hell you're talking about, so...

 

[doylem1]

Well, when you start railing against 'race' and 'gender-swapping' specifically and then rattle off a list of movies that includes names which literally don't have *any* race or gender swapping in them, then it kind of begs the question what the hell you're talking about, so...

Terminator 5 films where John Connor is billed and shown as the pivotal for the survival of mankind then Dark Fate comes along kills him off within a few mins like he was some kind of an afterthought and now with have a "reboot" where the fate of mankind is transferred to a young girl. I'd call that gender-swapping as well as the person sent back from the future to protect her is also a genetically enhanced female super-soldier which is a change to the usual male ones. Or are we talking about different movies?

 

[CorporalClegg]

It's "conscience," not "conscious."

Yeah.

I mean how can one have a clear conscious if they're not woke?