Spidey OUT of MCU

Yes yes yes, we all know how much you hate the idea of Marvel characters interacting with one another and how absolutely everything must be in its own little world no matter what.

We didn't get that from Raimi either, we got some mopey sadsack.

 

I gotta get me some of whatever you're smoking.

No wait, I don't want anything to do with it if that's your reaction.

This isn't any more true now than the last time you tried to go with this.

 

True, but he will post anything no matter inaccurate/historically false to defend the overflowing MCU bowl that Spider-Man was drowning in.

 

Far From Home made me care about Tom Holland's Peter in a way that I hadn't before because it used his relationship to/with Tony as a springboard rather than a crutch.

 

Precisely. Toby was an emo dimwit who had the acting range of a walnut.

 

Don't you mean Andrew Garfield?

 

Nah. While ASM was shit, Garfield's performance crapped on Toby's wooden, emo twit portrayal. Raimis Peter Parker is Peter Parker in name only.

 

Garfield wasn't perfect, but he was much better than Maguire's. Everytime I think about revisiting the Raimi films and reevaluating my low opinion of them, I remember how awful his and Dunst's performances were in all three. Bleah.

 

Wait wait wait. You think *Maguire's* Parker was the emo one over Garfield's?

 

Without a doubt. Garfield had infinitely more charisma and likeability when compared to the twit.

 

A) No. (And I liked Garfield, though in large part because of his chemistry with Emma Stone.)

B) That's... not what emo means.

 

You can, and should, have heroes interact without having one be the apprentice or protege of the other. Disliking that kind of relationship doesn't mean you dislike all interactions and want to have none.

Peter was very mopey, depressed in a lot of the Stan Lee comics.

 

Tell that to X-Men fans (more precisely, FoX-Men fans) who can't stand the idea of mutants existing in a world with non-mutant Supers or Aliens.

Having Spidey be the apprentice to another character is what his relationship to Fury was in Ultimate, I don't recall anyone complaining there. I don't recall anyone complaining about Batman mentoring the Flash in the DCEU.

And he was also quite cocky and arrogant too. Which Raimi never did.

 

Pot...meet Kettle.

 

As Spider-man, yes. That's part of Spidey's schtick. Cocky and arrogant on the outside with quips and mockery. Inside and as Peter very mopey. and down on himself.

 

SM3

 

Even as Peter, he was plenty snarky under Stan.

 

Although historically Spider-Man was notable, even iconic, as the "kid hero that wasn't a sidekick, I think that the PTB needed to change things up this time given that we've already had a triology and a duology (not to mention several cartoons) in the last decade or two with a fairly traditional Spidey so they felt the need to "change things up".

And I think that could have worked.

Unfortunately, a combination of rights issues and a need to have him on "Team Iron Man" in Civil War (for whatever reason) meant that we ended up with the somewhat ill-fitting Tony-Peter partnership, whereas having Steve, Matt Murdock or Reed Richards as Peter's mentor would have worked a lot better as the former has a long history of taking sidekicks/partners and the other two have a long established relationship with Peter in the comics.

 

I thought the way they had Peter and Tony bonding through their interests in technology worked really well.

 

While the MCU Peter Parker may have seen Tony Stark as a mentor / surrogate father figure, he was hardly Tony Stark's "sidekick".