Spidey OUT of MCU

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  1. Mage

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    So, I kinda haven't been following this entire situation for a while now, but.....

    Is this still an ongoing thing, or is truly set in stone now?
     
  2. grendelsbayne

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    The last solid reporting is that there are no more negotiations happening.

    Doesn't mean it's truly set in stone, but based purely on the publicly available facts there's nothing to suggest it would change anytime soon. If it matters to you, I'd say just assume that the next Spider-man movie at the very least will be independent of the MCU and quite possibly the next several, unless Spider-man 3 tanks or Sony gets bought out by a different company.
     
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  3. Mage

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    Coolcool, than I am up to speed then. That was the last I heard. It sucks, to be sure. But we'll see what happens. I mean, James Gunn was NEVER going to be re-hired by Disney aswell, so.....
     
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  4. TREK_GOD_1

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    The Spider-Man property holds more weight to a studio than any contracted person. Sony always knew the value of Spider-Man, and there's nothing sensible about their letting go of this new position. It should be fascinating to see what they do with the character going forward.
     
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  5. suarezguy

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    ^The last time they went on their own they were overly influenced by TDK (even most fans of TDK thought so) and Twilight and also kind of redoing their own films (Norman Osborn-like villains rather than either Norman himself or someone really new) so not a lot of confidence though they hopefully wouldn't do things like that again.

    One thing that could be really cool (though for the next film I think they already rehired the FFH writers) would be to hire Joss Whedon to write and/or direct.
     
  6. Mage

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    That wasn't my point. My point was, Disney changed their minds with the Gunn situation when it was made very clear they wouldn't. Who knows what's gonna happen. Set in stone isn't a thing if you ask me.
    Me, I could go either way. I loved Spidey in the MCU. If he isn't anymore, that's also cool.
     
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  7. Jayson1

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    I would love to see Whedon write and direct. He clearly has experience writing young people from Buffy. Jason
     
  8. ITDUDE

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    This whole thread is MCU vs Spiderverse, Sony vs Marvel. This company is evil, this company is great.... blah blah blah
    I don't have a dog in this fight. Let the chips fall where they may. May the best movies come up from this situation.:beer:
     
  9. The Nth Doctor

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    But...but...this is the INTERNET! You must choose a side!
     
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  11. Jayson1

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    I am on Team Sony because Disney's empire must be destroyed before the epcot center becomes the new capital of the world. Jason
     
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  12. JD

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    I on the other hand, welcome out new mousy entertainment overlord.:beer:
     
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  13. Relayer1

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    Nope.

    Don't like either company.

    :nyah:
     
  14. DigificWriter

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    Narratively and creatively, Sony is in the best position with the Spider-Man franchise that they've ever been in because of the fact that, legally speaking, there's nothing preventing them from implicitly tying future movies to the MCU.

    The collapse of this partnership may suck for people who liked having Spidey be part of a bigger shared universe, but, for Sony, they're actually in a better position going forward without the deal in place.
     
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  15. TREK_GOD_1

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    The Raimi films were not a part of shared universe and scored as close to perfect as anyone could get with a Spider-Man adaptation (IF you have someone at the helm who was as knowledgeable / respectful of the comic source as Raimi was), so an independent Spider-Man can be done and be a critical/commercial success.

    Some are acting as if there's never been a great Spider-Man film pre-MCU association. Oh well.
     
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  16. flavaflav

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    That's because there hasn't been a great Spidey film pre MCU. All the live action Spidey films were garbage at best.
     
  17. DigificWriter

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    Everything you just said is objectively wrong.
     
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  18. Professor Zoom

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    *rewatches Spider Man 2*

    Nah, bro.
     
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  19. Hound of UIster

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    I would argue the opposite. The MCU ones are garbage. The Raimi ones as well as Into the Spider-verse, which are not connected with the MCU are all vastly superior.
     
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    Like I said in the Far From Home thread, the studios and the fans have different definitions of what the Marvel Cinematic Universe is. To the studios, it's a branding thing, movies made or produced (or co-produced) by Marvel Studios. To the fans, the Marvel Cinematic Universe encompasses the movies, the ABC shows, the Netflix shows, the young adult shows, the one shots and the internet content. Since Sony had already confirmed that they're going to continue on from the cliffhanger established in Far From Home, by the fans definition of the term, the spider movies moving forward will still be a part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Sony's Universe of Marvel characters will obviously take place on the same storytelling world as the Marvel Cinematic Universe, the Netflix shows and the rest. The connection will just probably be one way, as with the rest.

    And for that matter, we don't know that Marvel won't be willing to share characters or concepts. Both sides say the split was amicable. Kevin Feige will still be in the loop and will offer notes as he says he has for every Marvel project produced by another studio. At one point, even before the character sharing agreement, Sony and Marvel were willing to stick Avengers tower in Amazing Spider-Man 2 and the Oscorp tower in The Avengers, they just didn't have time to render those buildings into those respective movies. I think it entirely possible that the doomsday scenarios being thrown out there by fans are extremely premature.
     
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