Spidey OUT of MCU

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Flying Spaghetti Monster, Aug 20, 2019.

  1. Shamrock Holmes

    Shamrock Holmes Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Although historically Spider-Man was notable, even iconic, as the "kid hero that wasn't a sidekick, I think that the PTB needed to change things up this time given that we've already had a triology and a duology (not to mention several cartoons) in the last decade or two with a fairly traditional Spidey so they felt the need to "change things up".

    And I think that could have worked.

    Unfortunately, a combination of rights issues and a need to have him on "Team Iron Man" in Civil War (for whatever reason) meant that we ended up with the somewhat ill-fitting Tony-Peter partnership, whereas having Steve, Matt Murdock or Reed Richards as Peter's mentor would have worked a lot better as the former has a long history of taking sidekicks/partners and the other two have a long established relationship with Peter in the comics.
     
  2. JD

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    I thought the way they had Peter and Tony bonding through their interests in technology worked really well.
     
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  3. Turtletrekker

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    While the MCU Peter Parker may have seen Tony Stark as a mentor / surrogate father figure, he was hardly Tony Stark's "sidekick". :rolleyes:
     
  4. Kate Kane

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    I was literally going to post this exact same thing.
     
  5. suarezguy

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    He just stopped being Spider-Man when Tony decided to take away his tech and he felt he was nothing without it.
     
  6. Turtletrekker

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    And then he went on to prove that that wasn't the case. Peter defeated the Vulture with his homemade suit without any help from Iron Man.
     
  7. DigificWriter

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    I disagree.

    Homecoming was the "Tony Stark Show, guest-starring Peter Parker".
     
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  8. Kate Kane

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  9. Turtletrekker

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    :lol:
    Tony Stark appeared in less than 8 minutes of Homecoming.

    https://m.imdb.com/list/ls023900717/
     
  10. DigificWriter

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  11. Ovation

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    Doubt away, but he’s right. It appears you have the same impression that many people have about Anthony Hopkins in Silence of the Lambs. His Best Actor Oscar should have been for the supporting role, not the lead (he’s barely in 15 minutes of the movie).

    Tony Stark is little more than an extended cameo, though the influence of his character in the story is somewhat more substantial.
     
  12. theenglish

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    I'm sorry that you left the movie at that point because the ending was actually pretty good and showed that he was his own hero and not the sidekick. It was kind of the point of the movie. It's on Netflix, you should watch it.
     
  13. cylkoth

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    Not in the US. Here, Starz has pay tv rights to Homecoming. ;)
     
  14. theenglish

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    Sorry, but you can always rent.
     
  15. Serveaux

    Serveaux Tasteless and unnecessary Premium Member

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    Both the Zendaya/Holland movies as well as ITSV are vastly better than most of what MCU emits with such shareholder-satisfying regularity.
     
  16. Timby

    Timby Game ... OVER! Administrator

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    It's correct. Stark appears for just under eight minutes of screentime.
     
  17. flavaflav

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    Agreed. The MCU Feige Spider films are excellent. It's a shame Sony will ruin a good thing.
     
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  18. TREK_GOD_1

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    He is of the opinion that no Marvel character can exist without being forced into every film as part of a wrestling-like free for all, even if it compromises the essence of certain characters. The source--the comics--did not create/introduce characters that way, and were defined by what they did on their won long before becoming part of group. Even the retconned Captain America--revived by the Avengers--was largely defined by his solo stories in Tales of Suspense, where he dealt with his "man out of time" issues, and that continued for years after ToS transitioned into the Silver Age Cap title, and while partnered with the Falcon years later.

    Of course. How anyone missed that part of the character is...

    Anyway, Parker grew in confidence into the Romita era, but he still suffered from depression and doubt over those closest to him, trying to fight crime while being wanted by the police, feelings of being unappreciated, etc. That was a long running hallmark of Parker's character...if those long years of the comic were read.

    Which was simply...stupid. He was already "Spider-Man" before he ever met Stark, but somehow, he recognition of his own life as a costumed do-gooder was upended in favor of his thinking he needed to prove a worth he already had to Stark. That is in no way how Spider-Man was established in the comics, or in the superior Raimi movies.

    Pretty much.
     
  19. Anwar

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    He was only in the film for like 10 minutes...
     
  20. Thestral

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    That was one part of one movie. :lol: Garfield's Peter was doing a full-on Edward Cullen impersonation.

    That absolutely shocked me when I first watched that movie, how little Hopkins was in it chronologically. And yet how much he dominates my memory of it.