USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?

[Rahul]

What episode was that?

In "Operation: Annihilate" the Enterprise uses a network of self-deployed satellites to shoot UV-light on the colony to defeat the light-sensible alien parasites. I guess that's what he's referring to.

Though those were just satellites, and it's already been established Federation ships carry a large number of probes with them (the NX-01 and VOY often showed them, on TNG they were shot from the torpedo bay) - that's a thing that makes sense for a science vessel! Those never carried weapons or shields though, and deployment took quite some time. Otoh - those probes were the size of photon torpedoes, and they carry a whole lot of them, too.

So if we want to be generous, the ship has space for a large number of
drones (though small ones), or they might have used their probes to do kamikaze against Control's actual drones. It's not impossible. I just wish "tactics" would have played a larger part in that battle, instead of out just looking like a nuBSG battle.

 

[Mudd]

Kirk's ship always spawned drones left and right in TOS, too. "Hundreds" were involved in one episode only, but this was not treated as a special occasion by the heroes themselves in any respect.

That the VFX team now can afford to show visuals when the CO Character says "Deploy the probes/satellites/tri-isophasic reflectors, Mr. Button-Pushing Character!" is the one new thing here. That, and the concept of repair robots, although those might always have been implicit in the concept of "damage control teams".

Timo Saloniemi

Every part of this is incorrect.

 

[Timo]

Nonsense. Kirk launched all sorts of probes and robots, the "hundreds" bit obviously being the ultraviolet sats in "Operation: Annihilate!" (where the affordabiity of modern VFX is the very factor that finally allows us to see the action). Scotty doesn't consider the operation worth commenting on, whereas Spock originally made it pretty clear that he wants these 210 babies built up to specs there and then, again a feat those present take in the stride.

The DSC folks make much more fuss about modifying their shuttles and work pods and combat doodads ("experimental tactical flyers"), but are within their rights to do so, considering the procedure may be more complex and "Operation: Annihilate!" is still a decade in the future...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[cooleddie74]

Launched "robots"?

No. Just...no.

Not at all. In any way. Ever. End of story. Period.

 

[Mudd]

Nonsense. Kirk launched all sorts of probes and robots, the "hundreds" bit obviously being the ultraviolet sats in "Operation: Annihilate!" (where the affordabiity of modern VFX is the very factor that finally allows us to see the action). Scotty doesn't consider the operation worth commenting on, whereas Spock originally made it pretty clear that he wants these 210 babies built up to specs there and then, again a feat those present take in the stride.

The DSC folks make much more fuss about modifying their shuttles and work pods and combat doodads ("experimental tactical flyers"), but are within their rights to do so, considering the procedure may be more complex and "Operation: Annihilate!" is still a decade in the future...

Timo Saloniemi

I can explain logically that chicken is a kind of fish, but it's not.

Just because you'd like it to be so doesn't make it so.

 

[Tuskin38]

I am happy that BJ is the PM, if he lost the Tory leadership race his supporters would be forever having wet dreams about their great leader who never got his chance. Now they can see how limp their Great dick is....

I think you’re in the wrong thread.

 

[Tuskin38]

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I can explain logically that chicken is a kind of fish, but it's not.

Just because you'd like it to be so doesn't make it so.

I don’t see anything wrong with Timo’s observation.

 

[DaveyNY]

I think you’re in the wrong thread.

... and then some.

 

[Mudd]

I don’t see anything wrong with Timo’s observation.

Of course you don't.

 

[Timo]

And of course you would persist with malicious nonsense, as that is apparently the only thing you have to offer here, for some reason (and for a rare once). Deny facts for all you like, but they still remain on screen. In verbal form in cheapskate TOS, in visual form when affordable in TOS-R, but easily verifiable if one possesses the required senses.

Starships launch stuff as a matter of course. Trek would be weird scifi indeed if it deviated from that norm. The stuff launched by Starfleet has been fairly refined and autonomous since the sixties, even if not exceptionally so. Nice to see DSC does not take a different path.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Nyotarules]

I think you’re in the wrong thread.

Oops sorry!

 

[Mudd]

Prior to that shot in STD, if anyone had suggested that there was any evidence in canon that the original Enterprise deployed multiple attack or repair drones/robots they'd have been ignored, ridiculed or corrected - probably all three within a couple of posts. Rightly so. You're backfilling continuity to justify this nonsense on behalf of some sloppy writers - nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Lord Garth]

This is precisely why conversations about "making sense of the fictional" with respect to details are a complete waste of time and energy.

Very true.

 

[Timo]

If you'd bother to read back to what folks involved actually wrote, you'd notice that the bit "anyone had suggested" was not suggested - instead, I made a true statement regarding what was witnessed in TOS about drone or probe deployment (lots of it happening), and a true statement on why this was witnessed the way it was (in dialogue) rather than another way (visually). Your disagreeing with these facts was disingenous and discourteous, regardless of broader agendas.

The broader agenda is that if and when Kirk's ship could manufacture and deploy 210 UV sats on a whim, a show that can afford more visuals is entitled to showing similar activity without detracting from the TOS image of starships and Starfleet. Both TOS-R and DSC are shows of this type.

(Whether damage control teams include cutesy robots in any era other than the 2250s is pure speculation, though... TOS isn't the show to contradict that, though. Rather, TNG and its "Quality of Life" puts an idea in edgewise, by treating repair bots as conceptually novel.)

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Tuskin38]

Prior to that shot in STD, if anyone had suggested that there was any evidence in canon that the original Enterprise deployed multiple attack or repair drones/robots they'd have been ignored, ridiculed or corrected - probably all three within a couple of posts. Rightly so. You're backfilling continuity to justify this nonsense on behalf of some sloppy writers - nothing more, nothing less.

Discovery is consistent with what TOS showed us before. Timo has provided evidence and you're ignoring it.

 

[Lord Garth]

I think someone who's obsessed with trying to prove he isn't a Trekkie anymore shouldn't be getting into Trekkie arguments. "I'm going to prove I'm not a Star Trek fan anymore by arguing about Star Trek on a Star Trek board!"

Prior to Discovery, this is a person who'd have loved that the Enterprise had all those drones because he'd be getting a kick out of purist outrage. He'd be laughing at the "fan assumptions". He wouldn't be on their side, no matter what he says now.

At the end of the day, all of this stems back to the fact that he's bitter about this show even existing at all and it's not what he wanted. It colors his view of everything Discovery-related.

 

[Belz...]

In "Operation: Annihilate" the Enterprise uses a network of self-deployed satellites to shoot UV-light on the colony to defeat the light-sensible alien parasites. I guess that's what he's referring to.

Ah, yes. That one slipped my mind.

 

[Belz...]

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I can explain logically that chicken is a kind of fish, but it's not.

Just because you'd like it to be so doesn't make it so.

What's wrong with his post, specifically?

"Nope" is not an argument.

 

[PixelMagic]

This is precisely why conversations about "making sense of the fictional" with respect to details are a complete waste of time and energy.

*TREKYARDS TRIGGERED*

 

[cooleddie74]

"Cheapskate" TOS? For 1966-69 it was one of the most expensive one-hour series on television. That just seemed like an ad hominem for the sake of taking a poke at 1960s budgets and F/X limitations. Had Roddenberry and his production team been able to afford some things they would have paid to create them.