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[Tosk]

I don't have a quote to hand, but I'm pretty sure either Lucas or Kasdan has said that the intent was for carbon freezing to be a known practice, only the crude nature of Cloud City's facility (presumably because it's only meant for inanimate or at most, non-living organic cargo) raised questions of suitability.

I don't think anyone is questioning that, only if freezing people is remotely standard procedure.

I agree that most everyone acts as though it's risky only due to Cloud City's facilities, but the one line that is hard to make fit is Lando's, "Lord Vader, we only use this facility for carbon freezing." Well no shit, Space Sherlock. That's what we're here for.

Unless he means that they use it to freeze carbon, as opposed to using it to freeze other things in carbonite.

 

[Crewman6]

On this point, I will respectfully disagree. For starters, 3PO doesn't appear capable of dark humor. He certainly doesn't appreciate Han's darker humor in the asteroid field and is constantly freaking out through that entire flight. He also reacts quite fearfully to the mynok. So, I have a very difficult time reading it as dark humor when he hs been demonstrated to freak out at the mere hint of the specter of death.

3PO isn't making a joke. His reaction is darkly funny to US given his seemingly glib reaction to whether Han survived or not.

I don't think they meant that Threepio himself was engaging in dark humor, rather that the humor came from the fact that Threepio is so blasé about Han's survival, and more fascinated by what's going on.

Yes. I didn't mean 3PO himself was deliberately trying to be funny.

 

[Crewman6]

I disagree.

Vader seems to think it will work, and we know why now, because he did it himself in the Clone Wars CG series. The Emperor and Vader wanted Luke alive, why would they trust technology that has never done this before as their first choice?

You don't get to use what happens in Clone Wars to justify what happens in ESB. We're talking ONLY about what happens in ESB.

And, as explicitly stated in the movie, Vader was going to test the freezing process first to ensure the "Emperor's prize" wasn't "damaged."

Han was just the test subject to see if Lando’s facility was good enough. Lando is just nervous because his facility has never done it before.

Or Lando is shocked that Vader is even suggesting such a thing because the very notion is absurd/dangerous. Lando's warning to Vader is extremely direct and dire, even in light of the fact that Lando doesn't care about who "Skywalker" is and has already shown total deference to Vader. But because Vader's suggestion is just that far off the wall, Lando, even with his questionable ethics, can't help but address it.

Also the control panel had life signs monitoring tech, why would that tech even be there if it had never been done before?

It could just be a generic scanner that monitors everything that is going on inside the block and is able to give him data on whatever the scanners pick up, including life signs. Or, as another poster suggests in the thread, they could have added it on, knowing what they were using it for.

Carbonite sickness is also mentioned by Leia in ROTJ, so it’s a known condition in the galaxy.

Nope, she says "hibernation" sickness. There could be countless other ways people are put into stasis in a science fiction universe that could result in a similar condition.

There’s more evidence to it being something that’s been done before than there is against it.

There is literally zero evidence that it's ever been done before and ample evidence to suggest that the very notion of it was considered crazy.

 

[Reverend]

I don't think anyone is questioning that, only if freezing people is remotely standard procedure.

I agree that most everyone acts as though it's risky only due to Cloud City's facilities, but the one line that is hard to make fit is Lando's, "Lord Vader, we only use this facility for carbon freezing." Well no shit, Space Sherlock. That's what we're here for.

Unless he means that they use it to freeze carbon, as opposed to using it to freeze other things in carbonite.

You'd have to imagine if such an obviously useful method exists that it'd have to be standard practice. I mean why NOT use it when it solves so many problems of high value prisoner transport/internment?
Think about it: even if the ship transporting them is destroyed, there's a good chance the slab would survive in the debris. Political prisoners, enemy spies, assassins, informants; basically anyone either too dangerous or troublesome to transport, or so valuable you can't risk them offing themselves or being knocked off for knowing too much.
Hell, for all we know this is how Jedi and Sith imprisoned each other during their many wars. I mean there was a chamber in the temple that could freeze at least seven people at a time, no?

Obviously it's not for *every* prisoner and probably too much hassle for gen-pop mass transportation to be practical, but for high value targets over long distance? Very useful and perfect for the bounty hunter's guild, since a commodity you don't have to feed, guard or recapture if they escape is a lot easier and more profitable than the alternative.

 

[The Wormhole]

Yeah, but all this overuse of carbon freezing is just dumb

"Overuse of carbon freezing"? This will mark the third time we've seen carbon freezing in on screen material. For a franchise that has been around for forty-two years something that has been seen three times (the last of which was eight years ago) is hardly "overused."

 

[fireproof78]

3PO isn't making a joke. His reaction is darkly funny to US given his seemingly glib reaction to whether Han survived or not.

And I'm saying even if it isn't a joke his glib reaction is indicative of it not being as dangerous or unheard of as postulated in this thread.

 

[Set Harth]

Sabine is indeed supposed to be Asian, though, IMO, the rest of her family look more "obviously" Asian than she does.

It's like how the cartoon Saw Gerrera doesn't look particularly black. He's got a cornrow thing happening but that's not much to go on. ( And those eyes... ) In fact, the only real indication that he's black is that he has a sister who is depicted as more obviously black.

 

[Tuskin38]

Nope, she says "hibernation" sickness. There could be countless other ways people are put into stasis in a science fiction universe that could result in a similar condition.

How would she know it causes Hibernation sickness if it has never been done before? it could have been a completely different condition.

 

[Crewman6]

How would she know it causes Hibernation sickness if it has never been done before? it could have been a completely different condition.

Please don't sprain your shoulder with your absurd reaches.

Hibernation sickness is a condition that results from being in hibernation. Hibernation is not a condition that is unique to being frozen in carbonite.

 

[Tuskin38]

Only reaching I see here is from you, which is why I won't continue this conversation.

 

[Crewman6]

Only reaching I see here is from you, which is why I won't continue this conversation.

Because you lost. You're literally inventing stuff out of the blue instead of actually focusing on what's in the film to bolster your argument.

 

[JD]

Carl Weathers addressed the carbonite freezing in an interview with IGN, he says that it's one of the punishments that the Bounty Hunters use. So it sounds like it's pretty much standard practice for Bounty Hunters when it comes to transporting bounties.

 

[The Wormhole]

Huh, just noticed in the picture in that article there's in fact a whole row of people frozen in carbonite. Now I got a funny image of some sort of shop which keeps carbon frozen bad guys in stock, and the Bounty Hunters go there, pay for one to deliver to a crime lord or a Hutt or someone for payment or trade or something.

 

[fireproof78]

Because you lost. You're literally inventing stuff out of the blue instead of actually focusing on what's in the film to bolster your argument.

This is a discussion not a competition.

 

[Crewman6]

This is a discussion not a competition.

But....but...I won! Can't you let me at least have that?

 

[JD]

EW.com has some new information on who some of the characters are.
Definitely sounds like an interesting batch of characters.

 

[fireproof78]

But....but...I won! Can't you let me at least have that?

Not if it shuts down communication. I'm funny like that.

ETA: Out of personal curiosity and my own oddness, I looked up how often carbonite freezing was used in legends, i.e. pre-Disney. From the Star Wars wiki:

There were numerous times when individuals encased themselves in carbonite. In 33 BBY, a year before the Trade Federation invaded Naboo, I-5YQ froze himself and Lorn Pavan in carbonite to survive an explosion set off by Darsha Assant during her duel with Darth Maul.[3] Sometime during the Clone Wars, Jedi Knight Anakin Skywalker encased himself and his team in carbonite to be sent undetected to the planet Gwori,[4] and later used this method on another mission.[5]

Filba used carbonite for smuggling bota harvested on Drongar during the Clone Wars to preserve its quality. Some of Coruscant's skyhooks were tethered to the surface with carbonite nanofiber.[6]

Han Solo was frozen in carbonite on Darth Vader's orders to test whether a Human could survive Bespin's freezing process before his plan to freeze Luke Skywalker. The modifications to the freezing chamber were successful in that Solo lived through the freezing process and entered into suspended animation.[7]

Obviously, not official, but I note the fact that the wiki describes Vader as testing "Bespin's freezing process" not carbonite freezing specifically.

 

[Tuskin38]

In Legends, carbon freezing humanoids was something that had been done for several thousand years at least as it shows up in the SWTOR MMO.

 

[fireproof78]

In Legends, carbon freezing humanoids was something that had been done for several thousand years at least as it shows up in the SWTOR MMO.

It even showed up as a weapon in another video game. Where it could temporarily freeze your opponent. Hardly mysterious technology.

 

[Tuskin38]

It even showed up as a weapon in another video game. Where it could temporarily freeze your opponent. Hardly mysterious technology.

I loved that gun.