Udderly ridiculous!
Marvel films, it's time for a Black female lead
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Udderly ridiculous!
Literally laughing my ass off here that the the wiki info-box lists Bat-Cow's marital status as single.
That was how I felt about it. It is near the bottom but the MCU has had only 3 bad movies. Hulk,Iron Man 2,Thor 2 and even they can be fun to watch. Jason
so yes, the character on Die Hard .. there is nothing about that character tied to race or gender.. and the original was a straight white male.. my point is that .. changing all that.. for no reason (because it is not essential to the story) means they are only doing it (if they do it) to draw attention to itself.
On the surface I have no problem with making Ariel black.. a i mean that character was not someone that had to be white (it's a fantasy character anyway) but with a studio that was making live action versions look and feel very close to the animated versions, changing her race ONLY brings undue attention to that aspect .. and is the wrong kind of attention. I feel bad for the actress and the undue backlash she will get.
On the surface I have no problem with making Ariel black.. a i mean that character was not someone that had to be white (it's a fantasy character anyway) but with a studio that was making live action versions look and feel very close to the animated versions, changing her race ONLY brings undue attention to that aspect .. and is the wrong kind of attention. I feel bad for the actress and the undue backlash she will get.
It's NOT for no reason. It is to reach a broader audience and make more money for their shareholders. The demographics of the US are changing, and the global market is just as if not more important than the US market. Newsflash: white people make up only 60% of the US as of 2010, and will be less than 50% by 2045. And the majority of the rest of the world is non-white. To sell more tickets to those people, you need less white leads and more leads of different races.
In addition to the monetary argument, the idea that everything should be equal is a fallacy. The only way to inspire more women/Latino/African American/Indian/Pakistani/whatever filmmakers is to have them be more represented. The only way to have them more represented is to make an effort to make more movies by and/or starring those people. Talk to casting directors in Hollywood and if you don't specify a race on the script they default to white. White is the default. So the only way to change that is by MAKING AN EFFORT to NOT cast white.
You do realize that the whole point is to make as much money as possible?
"t is to reach a broader audience and make more money for their shareholders. " hence an agenda.. not a creative story reason
Money always trumps story.
By that logic, we should never cast Tom Cruise, Meryl Streep, or any other star, because that decision is not made for a story reason, but for reasons of commerce.
The vast majority of the big decision makers in Hollywood are still white men, and if you leave them to just do whatever they want with the movies they make, they are only ever going to make movies starring white guys. The only way to actually get them to make movies with people other than white guys in the lead is for someone else to step up and say "hey, let's make a movie with a black guy or black woman or asian guy in the lead role".
The white guy as the default is so entrenched at this point, that you have to go in with the specific goal of making a movie with someone else, and then convince all the white guys making the decisions to actually let you keep that person not a white guy.
There are tons of stories out there where the first comment from the decision makers after they are presented with a movie pitch with someone other than a white guy in the lead is "can't the hero be white" or "can't the hero be a man".
[QUOTE="Jayson1, post: 13055428, member: 73943" I was also curious about something. Did Peggy Carter ever become a super hero in the comics? Maybe a multi-verse version could show up eventually. Jason[/QUOTE]
Yes, there is an alternate universe version of Peggy Carter who became Captain America. That version was originally created for the Puzzle Quest game, before being incorporated into the comics through the 2018 Exiles series, and is also a playable character in LEGO Marvel Super Heroes 2. I actually just played as her for a few minutes when I was playing yesterday.
I don't know if it's specifically based on this version of her, but we do know that one episode of the What If? animated series will feature Hayley Atwell as a version of Peggy who became Captain America instead of Steve Rogers.
The white guy as the default is so entrenched at this point, that you have to go in with the specific goal of making a movie with someone else, and then convince all the white guys making the decisions to actually let you keep that person not a white guy.
There are tons of stories out there where the first comment from the decision makers after they are presented with a movie pitch with someone other than a white guy in the lead is "can't the hero be white" or "can't the hero be a man".
[QUOTE="Jayson1, post: 13055428, member: 73943" I was also curious about something. Did Peggy Carter ever become a super hero in the comics? Maybe a multi-verse version could show up eventually. Jason[/QUOTE]
Yes, there is an alternate universe version of Peggy Carter who became Captain America. That version was originally created for the Puzzle Quest game, before being incorporated into the comics through the 2018 Exiles series, and is also a playable character in LEGO Marvel Super Heroes 2. I actually just played as her for a few minutes when I was playing yesterday.
I don't know if it's specifically based on this version of her, but we do know that one episode of the What If? animated series will feature Hayley Atwell as a version of Peggy who became Captain America instead of Steve Rogers.
Of course there's a reason: to broaden the audience appeal.
Conversely, there's no story reason to keep him white either.
Wrong kind of attention for who?
Who do you think will be creating the backlash?
We're talking movies here, which are always a matter of different people coming together. There's the financial side, i.e. the studio execs, and there's the creative side.
Now, granted, the aspired diversity of, say, Marvel is dictated by the financial side, because they realize that this is where the money is. So, yes, the studios are playing identity politics. Big deal, the studio suits have always been the enemy/reluctant ally of the creatives and fans. In the case of Marvel, it is mostly the latter, as there was obvious demand for movies like Black Panther and Captain Marvel.
So then, it is the job of the creative people, the writers, directors, casting directors and cast, to make this mandate meaningful, whether that means treating a chosen character with the respect it demands, or ignoring the ethnicity entirely (as would be the case with the hypothetical Die Hard remake).
when Die Hard came out no one complained that the film has not made the character a minority character.. so now doing it where the character is a minority .. you are only doing it to draw attention to the fact of is or her minority status.. that seems to me that you are making it that character a minority just to make it that way for that reason, and that is the wrong reason to reboot something
I just want a great character.
Pretty sure you want great white characters. That is the way your arguments play.
Then stop complaining about the great character having the wrong skin color or gender. John McClane won't be any less of a great character if he's played by Idris Elba.
It's starting to sound like any way they do a non-white lead, is the wrong way for you.
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