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They might wanna stick with their day job.
Nope---The Gorn is about to ambush the old man.....End Scene #spoiler
"No, Geordi, this still doesn't look right. Keep reconfiguring the Holodeck!"
Gosh, imagine if the actual scene was about Picard meeting a hologram of Data and complaining thereafter that no matter what they tweak on him, he always looks a bit off.
You don't get to retain the copyright to what you create for them, but you do retain the right to be credited, the right to be compensated for your writing, and the right to get residuals when an episode you wrote or a show you created is rerun.
So if there were any validity to the claim that CBS is plagiarizing Fuller -- which I don't think there is -- then it would still be a big deal and a form of theft.
Bad Robot, to the best of my knowledge, is not involved at all in the production of DIS or PIC. I don't know if they're involved in the development of the alleged Tarantino film or if that's even going anywhere.
Secret Hideout is Kurtzman's production company. Looks to me like the relationship of Secret Hideout to CBS is akin to the relationship of Mutant Enemy to the WB when they were making Buffy: the production company makes the show for the studio, the writing staff and such get paid by the production company, but all copyright is retained by the studio.
I'm not aware of any evidence Secret Hideout controls merchandising rights. CBS and, before them, Paramount, has always been very reluctant to give away the store on stuff like that.
I'd have more respect for people "critical of new shows" if you had more to base your "critiques" on than an overblown reaction to basic story premises that are not inherently bad.
Singer has never really emotionally recovered from the sexual assault allegations a few years back and now is having to deal with new ones.
I use to be very into older guys (among other things) in my much younger days of sexual adventuring.
I truly have a feeling that the guys accusing Singer probably were also very much into what was going on at the time and weren't "forced" into anything, but are now having second thoughts/survivors remorse for whatever reasons.
(and could possibly be seeking some kind of monetary goal)
Fortunately for all the Men I played with in my mid-teens through my late 20's, I'm not hung up on the bad (or good) decisions I made during that time period.
I had fun either way and though there may have been a few times when a bit of coercion was involved to get me to do some stuff I really didn't want to do, it didn't result in anything more than never "playing' with that particular individual again.
Hell, I've got more psychological hangups due to my fuk'd up family life as a kid, than I do from chit like that.
Also, Singer does not appear at all to me, to be a Dominant Personality kind of guy.
Which with my many years of experience leads me to believe that any encounters he may have had with young guys back in the 90's were probably mutually agreed upon with him stupidly not being more careful about the age thing.
(Teenagers lie all the time if they think SEX could be involved)
There have always been a lot of Teenagers going around (especially in Hollywood) getting into any kind of sexual action just because they could and not considering in any way, the long term consequences of their actions.
Survivors remorse, especially when it comes to sexual encounters is a hard thing to cope with, even if one knows it was what one wanted at the time.
Love to read apologia for sexual predators on Trek Bee Bee Ess dot com.
I was done with this, but seeing how you brought it up...
Since Bryan Singer has only been accused and not actually found guilty, the accusation you make with your last line is a bit over the top and I find it rather offensive and rude.
Also, one of the past Singer accusers had been found to be lying about the supposed incidents with Singer as well as with another Hollywood producer.
The current crop of gentlemen making the accusations are rather lacking in any kind of substantial proof other than their stories.
They say the incidents happened while working on productions that Singer was involved in, yet can not produce any physical evidence (like a pay-stub or contract copy) that they were actually involved.
We are all Assumed to be Innocent till proven Guilty, here in the USA.
BTW: My original post was not in anyway an apology for Mr. Singer.
I don't actually know if he's guilty or not.
I only know that based on my own personal experiences growing up as a very sexually active Bi-teenager and young adult (who often lied about his age), it often is not entirely the fault of the accused in these situations.
I also admitted in my post that stupidity plays a big part in these kind of situations and doesn't excuse the one who is supposed to be the Adult.
And with that, I am truly done.
Since Bryan Singer has only been accused and not actually found guilty, the accusation you make with your last line is a bit over the top and I find it rather offensive and rude.
Also, one of the past Singer accusers had been found to be lying about the supposed incidents with Singer as well as with another Hollywood producer.
The current crop of gentlemen making the accusations are rather lacking in any kind of substantial proof other than their stories.
They say the incidents happened while working on productions that Singer was involved in, yet can not produce any physical evidence (like a pay-stub or contract copy) that they were actually involved.
We are all Assumed to be Innocent till proven Guilty, here in the USA.
BTW: My original post was not in anyway an apology for Mr. Singer.
I don't actually know if he's guilty or not.
I only know that based on my own personal experiences growing up as a very sexually active Bi-teenager and young adult (who often lied about his age), it often is not entirely the fault of the accused in these situations.
I also admitted in my post that stupidity plays a big part in these kind of situations and doesn't excuse the one who is supposed to be the Adult.
And with that, I am truly done.
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More apologia for Singer.
You gonna make excuses for Woody Allen next? Maybe Roman Polanski?
This whole line of discussion would be more suitable to Miscellaneous or TNZ. For FoT purposes, let's just drop it, shall we?
Or Mintaka III
I hear ya. It wasn't only the skin tight catsuit that bothered me, it was that she seemed to have some type of interaction with all the male character leads at least once and practically took over the show. I would've preferred them to focus on Janeway as a strong female lead character kinda like how the show started. Once they introduced Seven it just went downhill from there.
I hope so too. I've watched and enjoyed all Trek to some extent except TNG. I just couldn't force myself to finish watching that series, though I did like a few of the movies they made, such as First Contact for example.
I'm not really a TNG Fan, but I've never had an issue with Picard himself (even though I think the way they handled him in the movies was horrible). The problem was more I always thought the writing was often too antiseptic and methodical. And the shots were literally just for coverage. In PIC, I don't think it will be antiseptic, methodical, sterile, and clinical. And the cinematography should be nothing short of breathtaking. So what I thought before shouldn't apply to now.
Basically, my main issue with Star Trek before was that I just wanted Rick Berman gone. I thought he was sucking the life out of Star Trek and I always thought it could be more without him. How good Star Trek made during the '90s and early-'00s was ended up depending on who was working for him and who could bring it up. One of the things I like about Ira Steven Behr and Ron Jones is that they stood up to Rick. Ron Moore wanted to but he couldn't quite get there until he left and broke off on his own.
I'm looking forward to getting the chance to see what 24th/25th Century Star Trek is like when it's made by someone else. And, yeah, I'm pretty sure there will be people who'll hate it for the same reasons I'd like it.
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If who we've assumed were Romulans practically worshipping Picard were actually Mintakans, mind = blown.
Nah - it's just TNG fans looking at the impending ST: P series through their Rose Colored Glasses.The '25% different' crowd seems to be moving goalposts now, I had someone tell me that it only applies to productions that take place between Enterprise and TOS, which is why Picard looks more 'faithful'.
IDGAF about Data's ageing/de-ageing, the "look" of the show, or any of that.
All I know is that Stewart is back as Picard, Ryan is back as Seven, Spiner is back as Data/B4 or something, and apparently Sirtis and Frakes as Troi/Riker as well.
It could be in dreams, flashbacks, holo simulations, or in the present. Will sort that later. Just glad to have them back.
Nemesis being the last taste of the Prime timeline always bugged me. Glad that is rectified. It was in my top 3 things about ST that chap my @$$ (the last episode of ENT and Spock not fixing Vulcan getting destroyed in Kelvin are the others).
Maybe QT can fix one with his film.
All I know is that Stewart is back as Picard, Ryan is back as Seven, Spiner is back as Data/B4 or something, and apparently Sirtis and Frakes as Troi/Riker as well.
It could be in dreams, flashbacks, holo simulations, or in the present. Will sort that later. Just glad to have them back.
Nemesis being the last taste of the Prime timeline always bugged me. Glad that is rectified. It was in my top 3 things about ST that chap my @$$ (the last episode of ENT and Spock not fixing Vulcan getting destroyed in Kelvin are the others).
Maybe QT can fix one with his film.
Stewart himself was responsible for many of the changes to Picard in the movies. It is one of the reasons that I cringe a bit when I hear showrunners/writers talk about how they take direction daily from him on JLP's character. Though given his age, I doubt we get action hero JLP again.
And while I agree that the end of the Berman era was a bit painful (Seven's catsuit, T'Paul's catsuit, and Tom & Harry visit the holodeck again, Voyager's infinite shuttles, Nemesis, the Enterprise Valentine), he does deserve a lot of credit for the success of the run.
4 shows. 19 years (1987-2005). A big chunk with 2 Trek shows at once (1993-2001). Yes, mistakes were made, but for my money, TNG is the best Trek series, and it's peak (S3-S5) is the best three year run (though DS9 comes close and TOS S1 is the best single year). And TNG had the best finale, hands down. He had a huge hand in 2 of the 3 best ST series of all time, and the two best in the last 50 years.
In large part, the reason we are still having these debates, and have shows to comment on, is because of Berman (and Roddenberry (of course) & Kurtzman, who also gets blasted a lot).
Not saying I disagree with everything you posted (I do not), I just kind of reached a tipping point on the Berman thing and had to push back a bit.
Just out of curiosity, rank the six live action TV series for me.
For me:
1. TNG (by a whisker)
2. TOS
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3. DS9
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4. VOY (by a whisker)
5. DISCO (2nd half of S2 poor)
6. ENT (that finale hurts)
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DISCO is tough to rate because it is not done yet. Though if I had to rate the first two seasons only:
1. TOS, 2. VOY, 3. DISCO, (gap), 4. ENT, 5. TNG (awful S1, better S2), 6. DS9 (ditto).
I like:
1. DSC
2. TOS
3. DS9
I still like overall, even if there's a "but":
4. TNG and VOY (tied)
PIC seems like it'll be cherry-picking the best parts of both these shows, and will move the characters into new places, so I think I'll probably like it better than either. That's the sense I'm getting. And, if nothing else, the way PIC is being shot and put together looks, so far, like it'll be top-notch and first-rate.
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The only one I can't get into to save my life:
6. ENT
It's not even that I hate the show. I don't. But, for whatever reason, it just doesn't click with me at all.
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