New Picard SDCC Trailer
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One thing I’ll say about this trailer is that it made a lot of people smile. And there isn’t a damn thing wrong with that.
Forgive me if this is a trite point, but I feel like we have turned a corner with Trek. We are no longer stuck in an anomaly where every Trek production must try to bask in the reflected glory of TOS, which is where we have been since ENT was announced. With DSC’s leap, the death (?) of the Kelvinverse productions, Picard, and Lower Decks it feels like we’re finally seeing the universe move forward. Star Wars has been ahead of us in this respects - it did it’s prequels, now it’s confidently moving onwards. Trek seems to me like it’s ready to do the same.
I can’t wait to see where this all goes.
Forgive me if this is a trite point, but I feel like we have turned a corner with Trek. We are no longer stuck in an anomaly where every Trek production must try to bask in the reflected glory of TOS, which is where we have been since ENT was announced. With DSC’s leap, the death (?) of the Kelvinverse productions, Picard, and Lower Decks it feels like we’re finally seeing the universe move forward. Star Wars has been ahead of us in this respects - it did it’s prequels, now it’s confidently moving onwards. Trek seems to me like it’s ready to do the same.
I can’t wait to see where this all goes.
Disgruntled big time, would be my first thought about RMB.
So IMO, anything coming from him needs to be taken with a grain of salt the size of a small shuttlecraft.
While I love TOS, I've come around to this way of thinking. Why? Two reasons.
1. DSC is the most I've enjoyed Star Trek since DS9 ended and I got real sick of people complaining about how it fit in with TOS real fast. And the fits that were thrown upon even trying to build upon what was already there. I gaurantee you the more I thought what DSC was doing was great, the more they'd go on and on about what I thought was nonsense. I now know what ENT Fans had to put up with and they had to put up with it for longer. So, yes, I'll miss the 23rd Century but I'm glad about the change DSC just made.
2. I always thought the TNG Era deserved better than to end with Nemesis. Who wants a film like that to be the final word on anything?
Regarding #1, I understand how you feel. That said, I must admit I find it sad that fans of the show have to throw in the white towel on some aspect they genuinely enjoy about the show just because we are tired of hearing some idiots complain online about it.
I know that I found it hard to enjoy the Picard trailer because, for instance, I couldn't help thinking "Oh, well, here we go. There's disruptor fire and hand-to-hand fighting for three seconds. Some malcontent is going to complain for 5 paragraphs about too much pew pew in what is supposed to be a cerebral, intellectual Real Star Trek show."
I for one don't understand this plagiarism angle. The minute you walk through the door of a Hollywood studio to work on an existing property, you sign away any personal copyright ownership of ideas you come up with that relate to that property. Absolutely 100% guarantee it.
Bad Robot and Secret Hideout have a complicated arrangement with CBS where they have been contracted to make some movies and some series and in exchange, they control merchandising over toys and models -- *if* what they put out is different enough to designs already out there from the Paramount era. I would be amazed if it gives them any fundamental sole copyright claim over any portions universe or stories involving existing characters they didn't even create.
Either way, individuals who work for any of the companies who've been pushed out, fired, or left claiming copyright or plagiarism over stuff they came up with in the writers room is likely to get about as far as a snail in a horse race.
Bad Robot and Secret Hideout have a complicated arrangement with CBS where they have been contracted to make some movies and some series and in exchange, they control merchandising over toys and models -- *if* what they put out is different enough to designs already out there from the Paramount era. I would be amazed if it gives them any fundamental sole copyright claim over any portions universe or stories involving existing characters they didn't even create.
Either way, individuals who work for any of the companies who've been pushed out, fired, or left claiming copyright or plagiarism over stuff they came up with in the writers room is likely to get about as far as a snail in a horse race.
I feel like we'll truly move the franchise forward when we get an all-new ship with an all-new crew with no connection at all to existing characters, preferably set after Voyager so as not to be beholden to existing series. I hope the current slew of new shows is slowly working us towards that position.
It's interesting how much I disagree with this perspective.
The "whole new ship/crew" gig is what Star Trek did over and over again with admittedly massive diminishing quality and interest for decades
The idea of reboots (2009) and prequels direcly linked to another series (DSC) were actually fresh and unique approaches for Trek, rather than just another "Star Trek: The Next NEXT Generation" approach, which I really have no interest in after 750 episodes of that. Additionally, that show essentially already exists, and it's called The Orville, and I find my passion for that show to be extremely limited (not to say I don't like it, because I've seen every episode, I just don't care nor am I in any way invested).
I'm invested in DSC because it links to and provides deeper insights into something I'm incredibly passionate about (TOS) and I'm fascinated by PIC because it looks like it will close the book on an iconic character I grew up with.
The adventures of the USS Noble and Terrific with yet another cookie-cutter Trek crew in the 25th Century is a premise that does nothing for me.
All a matter of opinion of course...but I'm just worn on that approach (in fact, I was as far back as VOY). I have over 700 episodes of that if I want to see it.
Give me something different.
Off topic, so I strongly encourage moving this convo over into the Sexual Abuse thread in TNZ. Let's just say that i recommend keeping an open mind about what the (alleged) victims are claiming.
I mean, the first season of Discovery was essentially a new crew on a new ship in a basically new/heavily re-imagined setting - the only caveat being Burnham's extremely close connection to Sarek and relation to Spock, which I still don't really understand the reasoning behind even if it paid off in season two.
Discovery's revisiting of TOS started to grate on me towards the end, especially since they essentially invented a new and excellent character with their Pike but he ended up being stuck retreading the events of The Cage and, for the last few episodes, confronting his space-wheelchair future. I wasn't a fan of the first season of Discovery at all because I wasn't interested in the story they were trying to tell or the tone they set, and none of the characters clicked for me, but in some ways I find it more commendable than season two (which I enjoyed watching a lot more). I agree that Discovery can give more insight into TOS, but I feel like it mainly did that by expanding on Pike - I didn't think any of the Talos revisit stuff or Pike knowing his future injuries in advance really added to TOS at all, beyond making Spock's ability to casually talk to the Talosians in The Menagerie make more sense, but that's opinion-based obviously.
When Seven showed up in the trailer for Picard, in that split second, part of me just thought "oh god, here we go". I like Voyager more than almost anyone else in the universe seems to and Seven is one of my favourite characters, but teaming her up with Picard raised a red flag for me - the writers are just shoving together iconic characters we like and hoping the magic sort of happens from there. I know that's a dumb reaction based on nothing more than a short trailer which told us little about the show, and I hope to be proven completely wrong (I have ultimate faith in Patrick Stewart and Jeri Ryan to uplift any material anyway).
Perhaps unpopularly, I'm still vaguely optimistic about the Section 31 series, because even if it's a trainwreck, it'll hopefully be a trainwreck that doesn't lean too heavily on existing characters, locations and ideas.
Ummm...
My understanding is that BAD ROBOT has Nothing-What-So-Ever to do with any of the current crop of Trek TV shows.
It's Kurtzman and his Secret Hideout Production Company that are carrying that banner.
It's explained rather well in full detail in this article...
https://www.startrek.com/article/kurtzman-inks-5-year-trek-extension
And CBS holds any and all merchandising licenses to Star Trek.
(even Paramount has to make deals with CBS)
In fact it's rumored that JJ basically gave up on licensing the 2009+ movies because CBS refused to stop doing it with TOS, when he requested it.
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Wait. So Lower Decks doesn't count? New ship. New crew. Set after Voyager. Not beholden to any existing series. I'd say we're there. Or do animated shows not count?
I'm in this thread to talk about PIC and PIC only. I think if there's a Borg connection, then it makes sense to have Seven of Nine. Picard, Seven, and Hugh are all (Ex-)Borg. They all have that in common. These appearances aren't random or shoehorned in, from the looks of it. There's a rhyme and reason, and a common throughline.
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Agreed on both counts. I think DSC is a bit dragged down by behind the scenes issues but damn if I don’t love the cast and production design.
And nothing would make me happier to see an epilogue for TNG more fitting than NEM.
not trite, but the thing i loved about the kelvin timeline films and discovery's first two years was -- despite being set in the 23rd century -- they didn't seem too concerned about being specific to those time frames. the 23rd century in modern star trek has kind of just become "defacto star trek future". and now discovery is leaving that behind and picard is very specifically a sequel to the 24th century era shows and movies, i feel like we're losing the kind of baseline star trek i've come to appreciate in the modern era.
maybe a pike show will be announced and it'll fill that niche, but for now iconic star trek is being supplanted by specific star trek. i am by no means looking a gift horse in the mouth, just mourning the end of this era for the franchise. and hella looking forward to the future-future.
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I actually forgot about Lower Decks - the sight of the art style gave me an aneurysm, but that aside I'll give it a fair chance when it airs. I haven't been following it's development too closely because I'd rather go in more or less blind and let it surprise me.
Yes. That line, for good or for ill, seems to be the Borg.
I think this might be a bit different angle to the Borg though. This is not 'the Borg are coming! How do we stop them?*" but about the disconnected Borg. How do these former monsters fit to the society? What rights do they have, how to treat them.? We of course got a bit of that with Seven already, but that was pretty specialised situation and this might be in larger, more societal scale.
* (Though I'm sure we get that too eventually.)
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