Spoilers Avengers: Endgame grade and discussion thread

[JirinPanthosa]

Disagree. I find it depressing and dull, and think it wisest to ignore most of the time.

It’s depressing, but in cases of people who don’t actually have power over anyone I sometimes see it as like a character study or people watching. Understanding the logical structures they’ve built up in their minds to justify their behavior. It’s like understanding an interesting villain. So long as all they’re doing is screaming from behind the keyboards in their parents basement.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Doesn't repeated viewings of a movie highlight a film's flaws more and spoil your viewing enjoyment?

Clearly not.

 

[Awesome Possum]

It’s depressing, but in cases of people who don’t actually have power over anyone I sometimes see it as like a character study or people watching. Understanding the logical structures they’ve built up in their minds to justify their behavior. It’s like understanding an interesting villain. So long as all they’re doing is screaming from behind the keyboards in their parents basement.

I think it should be understood if only to try and stop it. Some of these nuts go on to shoot up places.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

I think it should be understood if only to try and stop it. Some of these nuts go on to shoot up places.

True, but ignoring them and not understanding them is part of what gave them such cultural sway on 2016.

But I think you can have the same fascination with really bad real humans as you can with really bad fake humans, so long as the act of doing so does not enable them to do real harm.

 

[Awesome Possum]

True, but ignoring them and not understanding them is part of what gave them such cultural sway on 2016.

But I think you can have the same fascination with really bad real humans as you can with really bad fake humans, so long as the act of doing so does not enable them to do real harm.

That's why we should never ignore them again. They were able to grow in the shadows, now it's time to cast a bright light on them.

 

[YLu]

Some losers made their own edit to cut out the majority of the women from Endgame, as well as the humor, drama, and emotion.

Is anyone wondering if this might be satire? Part of me feel like it almost has to be. I mean, has anyone read the description the cut's uploader provided? It uses the phrase "no Wakanda ape-chant" and in regards to cutting out Clint training his daughter says, "young women should learn skills to become good wives and mothers and leave the fighting to men." Oh, and he ends the description with a non-sequitur plug for Pewdiepie.

I mean, the bigots who hang around nerd circles typically at least *try* to disguise their bigotry as something else (even if they're not fooling anyone), unlike this dude.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Is anyone wondering if this might be satire? Part of me feel like it almost has to be. I mean, has anyone read the description the cut's uploader provided? It uses the phrase "no Wakanda ape-chant" and in regards to cutting out Clint training his daughter says, "young women should learn skills to become good wives and mothers and leave the fighting to men." Oh, and he ends the description with a non-sequitur plug for Pewdiepie.

I mean, the bigots who hang around nerd circles typically at least *try* to disguise their bigotry as something else (even if they're not fooling anyone), unlike this dude.

It’s real, I went and looked for it. It’s unfortunately very real. These idiots have given up on hiding their intentions. Some even openly talk about how they wish they could rape women. These people are awful and truly proud of it.

 

[Captrek]

Where is the fan edit coming from, if the film is not yet out on home video? A leaked digital copy? Or is it a fan edit of a camrip?

 

[Awesome Possum]

Where is the fan edit coming from, if the film is not yet out on home video? A leaked digital copy? Or is it a fan edit of a camrip?

A camrip, they'll probably waste more hours of their life to do it again when they can get a better copy.

 

[Captrek]

And he'd also take the fight to the Russian/Leviathan wing of HYDRA to save the alternate versions of Bucky and Natasha from being enslaved supersoldiers (and by extension the many lives they were forced to unlawfully take).

People have rationalized staying out of the way and letting destiny play out as it should with Bucky and Natasha, but I don’t think there’s any way to rationalize keeping such a secret from Peggy.

She’s going out there every day doing everything she can to build up SHIELD, and she’s unwittingly building up Hydra. She goes home and dances with Steve, and makes love to him, and he’s keeping this secret from her the whole time. And either he doesn’t feel the least bit shitty about it, or he’s a hell of an actor. Either way, yuck.

 

[TedShatner10]

People have rationalized staying out of the way and letting destiny play out as it should with Bucky and Natasha, but I don’t think there’s any way to rationalize keeping such a secret from Peggy.

He felt deeply hurt and guilty about what happened to his best friend, and was profoundly grief stricken over Natasha dying (when he had a passing crush and lasting friendship with her), why would he, how could he ignore the plights of their alternative past versions of them in the new timeline?!

 

[Captrek]

He felt deeply hurt and guilty about what happened to his best friend, and was profoundly grief stricken over Natasha dying (when he had a passing crush and lasting friendship with her), why would he, how could he ignore the plights of their alternative past versions of them in the new timeline?!

Personally I agree with you, he created a new timeline when he went back to 1945 and changed a lot of things. But others (including the screenwriters, but not the directors) have argued that he went back into the past of the main timeline and just let destiny unfold as it was supposed to.

 

[TedShatner10]

Personally I agree with you, he created a new timeline when he went back to 1945 and changed a lot of things. But others (including the screenwriters, but not the directors) have argued that he went back into the past of the main timeline and just let destiny unfold as it was supposed to.

The new timeline makes more sense when returning to a woman he forever seperated from in OTL was going to inevitably change a lot of things and her career with SHIELD (and by extension the hidden superpower, HYDRA).

He'd have to save the Stark family from the machinations of HYDRA and Ten Rings as well (and AIM becomes a more normal company with alternate Tony being less of an asshole to Killian).

 

[Saul]

Not sure I could watch the same film over and over again like that. Might watch it again in another few years.

Doesn't repeated viewings of a movie highlight a film's flaws more and spoil your viewing enjoyment? I like to leave a film for a few years before coming back to it.

This is pretty much me. Once is enough and I savior the first experience like a fine wine not wanting to spoil the first viewing with a second taste.

But then there are event movies like Avengers, Star Wars, Batman. The kind of movies that have demanded a second viewing due to the large discussions surrounding them, to catch the moments you might have missed the first time. Also, a movie on this scale I just think "when the hell am I going to see something like this again?" once it leaves cinemas that experience can never be recaptured.

I'm still laughing and getting emotional at the same points. Adding up the cost, yes it's blowing a bit of cash on repeat viewings but look at what we got, an epic 3 hour comic book movie, it's worth it.

The last time I watched a movie 3 times at the cinema was 'The Dark Knight'. The last time I watched a movie more than that was 'Dunston Checks In'......(don't judge me! )

And he'd also take the fight to the Russian/Leviathan wing of HYDRA to save the alternate versions of Bucky and Natasha from being enslaved supersoldiers (and by extension the many lives they were forced to unlawfully take).

Is Natasha a super soldier?

 

[TedShatner10]

Is Natasha a super soldier?

Not to the same extent of other HYDRA super soldiers, like Bucky's unit, or Scarlett Witch and Quick Silver. Alongside perhaps Hawkeye, she's the Avenger closest to baseline normal, but she was not that normal in all honesty (easily one of the most dangerous and durable near normal human women on the planet).

She was intended to be the elite of the elite through lethally ruthless spec ops training since childhood alongside the rest of her Red Room unit to begin with (and it's plausible she had a watered down version of the super soldier serum, it's true in the comics, and that's perhaps another thing that rendered her unable to bare children).

 

[Tim Thomason]

People have rationalized staying out of the way and letting destiny play out as it should with Bucky and Natasha, but I don’t think there’s any way to rationalize keeping such a secret from Peggy.

She’s going out there every day doing everything she can to build up SHIELD, and she’s unwittingly building up Hydra. She goes home and dances with Steve, and makes love to him, and he’s keeping this secret from her the whole time. And either he doesn’t feel the least bit shitty about it, or he’s a hell of an actor. Either way, yuck.

"Hail Hydra" - Steve Rogers, Endgame

 

[urbandefault]

"If I tell you the future, it won't happen." - Dr. Stange, paraphrased.

 

[Captrek]

"If I tell you the future, it won't happen." - Dr. Stange, paraphrased.

Yeah, but when Strange decided to withhold from Tony that he had chosen a course of events that results in Tony getting killed, he wasn’t having sex with Tony. That kind of makes a difference.

If Steve decides that it’s best for the future to let Peggy be manipulated by Hydra, he should just stay away. Marrying her, playing the part of the devoted loving husband, encouraging her to keep up the good work while he’s secretly sending her out into the world every day to serve Hydra, is disgusting.

 

[Set Harth]

he wasn’t having sex with Tony.

...or was he?

Please tell me that's not what the finger meant!

 

[Captrek]

...or was he?

Please tell me that's not what the finger meant!

That’s not what the finger meant.

You’re welcome.