I don't like section 31, it's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x14 - "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2"
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I don't like section 31, it's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere
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I don't understand how the first two seasons were pointless. Those events happened, and the people who lived though those events will remember them and were affected by them. For example, going forward it will add to Pike being Pike and add to Spock being Spock. It will also add to the development of the DSC characters in season 3 and onward.I find it hilarious that they basically rendered the last two seasons of STD absolutely pointless in their last minute attempt a a retcon. All it took was a few words from Spock.
If you see that as pointless, then what would be "less pointless" about the first two seasons of any Star Trek series? How were the first two seasons of TOS or TNG "not pointless" using your point of view?
You are thinking. Don't do that. If you think, you will not enjoy Season 2 of Discovery. Now you have to start from scratch. Go back to Episode 1, leave brain at the door, and laugh and clap at all the shiny CGI. Do NOT think, do NOT analyze.The more I think about it the less sense it seems to make: So way back when the shuttle with Tyler and Pike was attacked by the probe from the future (which, as it turns out, through Airiam later made 23rd century Control the danger it became), the probe was coming through a time portal over Kaminar created by the Red Angel the episode before that. This was way back when they said the Red Angel suit was from the future and it made sense that the altered probe coming through the time portal was from the far future as well. Problem is, in the finale it is established that it was Michael Burnham (!) creating the portal, time traveling from a point only a couple of weeks into the future. So why was that Control probe coming through the same portal?
Is it me or does it really make no sense?
* small voice * I liked the romance. Kind of spoke to me at that age.
Have you watched Spocks brain?
It's prime directive was to learn all that was learnable, not take shortcuts. It probably *did* know about the network.
This
. Its so much easier to just hate something than think about it. And apparently so much more enlightening, somehow?
That statement sounds like someone who has it on infinite loop.
See, now that makes it look like everyone who liked it is stupid, and I really hope that was not the implication. Regardless of intent, there's something about this kind of post that rubs me the wrong way because it just sounds so damn condescending. I usually go out of my way to clarify that taste is subjective and that nobody's is better or smarter or whatever. Can't we just accept that people like different things? Can't we criticise and disagree without all the nose-thumbing? Because all this judging is unhelpful.
I applaud your optimism. I'll give the writers benefit of the doubt to be able to write stand-alone episodes. But if nothing else, they proved that they should stay the hell away from any length arcs. They have proven that they can't even write a decent two parter. If Season 3 is ALL stand alone episodes ALL the time, then I think Discovery actually has a chance to tell a cohesive story (one stand alone episode at a time)
Perhaps some people are best off sticking to the Orville or 90s reruns, where everything is presented in a much slower and simpler manner.
Why do you feel judged? Is it something I said? I said what I felt. I am entitled to my opinion. I did not point and laugh at any one person or group of people (well maybe except the writers who put out this crap). Now, why does me having an opinion make you feel judged? Fine, you like this crap writing, and I don't. But why am I only allowed to have an opinion that you agree with?
A slower pace wouldn't help here. They tried to conceal the plotholes and bad writing by breakneck speed and lots of flashing lights, and hoped that people wouldn't notice. It didn't work, at least for me.
(I still haven't seen a single episode of Orville.)
Speaking as an absolute dumbass who is properly stupid, I need everything spelled out to me slowly, so I'd like them to try an episodic or semi-episodic format for the next season.
For real though, I think they had big problems with pacing and prioritising certain scenes which really undermined their arc in season 2. Some scenes (like all of Point of Light) move so slowly and it feels like they've totally wasted an hour of your time this week, while others (the finale) move at such supersonic speed that you have to go to the internet and ask TrekBBS for help in understanding wtf was meant to be happening, or why they couldn't blow up the ship or how Pike didn't get blasted into space or whatever else.
I've also come to the conclusion that the reason many of these explanations are missing is because the writers didn't have them. The whole thing feels like it was written and re-written on the fly, and the behind the scenes drama gives weight to that idea. Some of the finale even feels like it was written in reverse - we want Burnham and the ship to go through the wormhole, now let's work backwards and figure out the series of events that makes that happen.
When they've tried broadly episodic stuff like New Eden, it's come off pretty well. They can tell a story in 50 minutes, they just seem to have trouble telling one over 12+ hours without leaving out massive plot-vital explanations or having parts of it drag and go nowhere. Unless they change their writing style, episodic/DS9-style semi-episodic seems like a better fit for them.
For real though, I think they had big problems with pacing and prioritising certain scenes which really undermined their arc in season 2. Some scenes (like all of Point of Light) move so slowly and it feels like they've totally wasted an hour of your time this week, while others (the finale) move at such supersonic speed that you have to go to the internet and ask TrekBBS for help in understanding wtf was meant to be happening, or why they couldn't blow up the ship or how Pike didn't get blasted into space or whatever else.
I've also come to the conclusion that the reason many of these explanations are missing is because the writers didn't have them. The whole thing feels like it was written and re-written on the fly, and the behind the scenes drama gives weight to that idea. Some of the finale even feels like it was written in reverse - we want Burnham and the ship to go through the wormhole, now let's work backwards and figure out the series of events that makes that happen.
When they've tried broadly episodic stuff like New Eden, it's come off pretty well. They can tell a story in 50 minutes, they just seem to have trouble telling one over 12+ hours without leaving out massive plot-vital explanations or having parts of it drag and go nowhere. Unless they change their writing style, episodic/DS9-style semi-episodic seems like a better fit for them.
Try "Identity" two parter. That has arguably even better battle that Discovery Season 2 finale (even same plot point about a former enemy coming to help at the last second, but then again, it's a sci-fi trope done to death) without any head-scratching plot holes.
While we certainly value everyone's opinion and they have the right to express them, they sometimes push the boundary when their constant, insistent negative posts pass a boundary and have no constructive value and no other goal than to irritate posters who enjoy the series.
How hard is it to not watch if you don't like something?!
Identity is every bit as chock full of the same things that people complain about re Discovery and even more so when one thinks about it, but its Orville, so few fans of that show rarely do in any meaningful thinking about it because again simple+nostalgia. But it's not Discovery (point one) and it evokes Best of Both Worlds nostalgia (point two) so it gets a free pass.
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The season ended with everyone needing something of it's plot explained so it's not you. They had a basic plot and direction (red signals to future jump) and mismanaged the minor details inbetween when they starting writing the individual episodes, the finale was extended possibly to account for that and try and wrap it all up.
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