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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x14 - "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2"

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How so? He clearly still existed in timeline because after Discovery left, they discuss him in the interrogations.
Or, more precisely, the time loop that let him win every time. They prevented the creation of what I'll dub Perfect Control, by denying him access to the rest of the Sphere data. Georgiou killed Semi-Perfect Control (the one that had absorbed only part of the data.) The Control that was referred to as purged at the end of the episode was probably Imperfect Control.
 
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Not sure how killing him then destroying the data wouldn't achieve the same thing....
1) They couldn't be sure there were no backups. And, indeed, there were.
2) They (for some reason) couldn't destroy the ship, and thus couldn't destroy the data. Even though the Enterprise had tons of torpedoes, and could have just kept hammering Discovery until its shields failed, but I digress.
3) Something they didn't consider: there is no guarantee the data wouldn't have found its way onto the Enterprise computer while they were trying to destroy Discovery.
"Yay, we destroyed Discovery! Suck it, Control!" *fist pump like Data did in Generations*
Number One: "Um, guys, something downloaded into our computer while we were congratulating ourselves."
"Oh, shit... Now what?"
Georgiou: "Morons."
 
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They couldn't be sure there were no backups. And, indeed, there were
When was that established? Killing Leland disabled all the s31 fleet.

If there were backups, they weren't nearby. Certainly gave them at the very least time to regroup, get the shields back up, and evacuate their wounded.

Even though the Enterprise had tons of torpedoes, and could have just kept hammering Discovery until its shields failed, but I digress
Well yes, quite. We are presented with a ship on the verge of being destroyed. It stretches credibility that they couldn't finish the job. Tractor it into a star, anything. It's an absurd plot point that they couldn't come up with a method of scuttling the ship.

Something they didn't consider: there is no guarantee the data wouldn't have found its way onto the Enterprise computer while they were trying to destroy Discovery.
Possible, but a couple of episodes back it took some time for the data to transfer, I think the risk there is pretty low. At the very least you're no worse off from trying, and if you're successful, don't have to send the entire Discovery crew, wounded and all, off to the future and an uncertain fate.
 
Finale was awesome - it actually makes a perfect closure to Discovery. I have my doubts about next season, though. I think I'd much rather have a Captain Pike Season 2 than a reboot of Andromeda...

Me too!

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I think Spock should have kept the beard though. He looks weird without one.

I know, right? At first I didn't like it, but it grew on me to the point when he appeared clean-shaven, he just didn't look the same.

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Midquest:

That makes me think that either the actor might not be returning or Control also put itself into her. Hm...it's a little odd how she goes down on screen in this episode, too.

PLEASE let this be the end of Control. So bored with that story.
 
Great episode especially everything with Pike, and the Enterprise looks beautiful.
I only don't understand het Discovery had to go to the future after Leland was destroyed
 
No, she just went back to the bridge and let Leland beat the crap out of Georgiou.
Who says there's never a smart butt around when you need one?

She could have just been disabled for example but the scenes were a bit busy so it was kinda hard to keep everything straight.
 
Yeah, I read through all 70 pages, and no one seems able to explain Culber's change of mind. He was in full "I'm not in love with you" mode for months, and while that 30-second pep talk from Reno was nice, it doesn't explain the sudden "you're my everything" switch.

Obviously the writers are just putting people where they wanted them to be. Instead of technobabble it was romancebabble.
If you look at their conversation in the last episode, especially the body language, you can tell Culber wanted to reach out to Stamets, probably in part because of Cornwell's (RIP) and Reno's advice. The whole "I'm going to the Enterprise" bit seemed like an afterthought to justify him coming to the Spore Chamber in the first place, and probably not what he wanted to say originally.

It's so classic, it's a trope: Two characters start talking, A lets B go first, B says something that throws something A said (but at this point doesn't actually believe anymore) back in their face, and A quickly changes what they are saying to match.

Culber spend part of the season pushing Stamets towards moving forward (not because the love wasn't there, but because of his own disassociation and trauma). And now that he wants to tentatively reach out, Stamets has decided to do so (despite very clearly still having feelings for Culber). I'd have to rewatch it to be sure, but I remember Culber's face when Stamets tells him that, and it looks like a man thinking that it would be kinda scummy to have pushed him this far and then going, "you know what? Now I wanna go back." So instead he tells him that "forward motion" is a great idea, all cool kids are doing it, including me.

So it's really not that surprising that later on he goes "what the hell am I doing? I love him, he loves me, and I'm never going to see him again" and goes back.
 
The battle would have been a thousand times better without those silly shuttles and drones. Just have the ships battle each other.
 
If you look at their conversation in the last episode, especially the body language, you can tell Culber wanted to reach out to Stamets, probably in part because of Cornwell's (RIP) and Reno's advice. The whole "I'm going to the Enterprise" bit seemed like an afterthought to justify him coming to the Spore Chamber in the first place, and probably not what he wanted to say originally.

It's so classic, it's a trope: Two characters start talking, A lets B go first, B says something that throws something A said (but at this point doesn't actually believe anymore) back in their face, and A quickly changes what they are saying to match.

Culber spend part of the season pushing Stamets towards moving forward (not because the love wasn't there, but because of his own disassociation and trauma). And now that he wants to tentatively reach out, Stamets has decided to do so (despite very clearly still having feelings for Culber). I'd have to rewatch it to be sure, but I remember Culber's face when Stamets tells him that, and it looks like a man thinking that it would be kinda scummy to have pushed him this far and then going, "you know what? Now I wanna go back." So instead he tells him that "forward motion" is a great idea, all cool kids are doing it, including me.

So it's really not that surprising that later on he goes "what the hell am I doing? I love him, he loves me, and I'm never going to see him again" and goes back.
Not gonna lie: I came this close to crying during that scene. So odd how I never cared that much about either of them individually or as a couple until that moment. :shrug:
 
If you look at their conversation in the last episode, especially the body language, you can tell Culber wanted to reach out to Stamets, probably in part because of Cornwell's (RIP) and Reno's advice. The whole "I'm going to the Enterprise" bit seemed like an afterthought to justify him coming to the Spore Chamber in the first place, and probably not what he wanted to say originally.

It's so classic, it's a trope: Two characters start talking, A lets B go first, B says something that throws something A said (but at this point doesn't actually believe anymore) back in their face, and A quickly changes what they are saying to match.

Culber spend part of the season pushing Stamets towards moving forward (not because the love wasn't there, but because of his own disassociation and trauma). And now that he wants to tentatively reach out, Stamets has decided to do so (despite very clearly still having feelings for Culber). I'd have to rewatch it to be sure, but I remember Culber's face when Stamets tells him that, and it looks like a man thinking that it would be kinda scummy to have pushed him this far and then going, "you know what? Now I wanna go back." So instead he tells him that "forward motion" is a great idea, all cool kids are doing it, including me.

So it's really not that surprising that later on he goes "what the hell am I doing? I love him, he loves me, and I'm never going to see him again" and goes back.
Yeah, that arc worked. I got it, and I liked the scene this week.
 
What was wrong with the finale is quite simple. Apart of Klingon and Kelpien cavalry, Cornwell´s death and Enterprise bridge ending, it was quite formulaic. Everything we knew might happen, happened and not in much creative way. You can say Discovery has a lot of common with post-Martin GOT. Writers are so convinced how cool will this look on the screen that they don´t mind writing stereotype.
 
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