Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x14 - "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2"
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I love the way Riker fails Troi in TNG for trying to save the ship herself during her commanders exam for not ordering someone better qualified to risk their life and yet there is not a single commander in the history of Trek that has ever done that because the writers don't want characters to look like a dick.
Ensign Ricky, try to disable the torpedo and if you can't, pull that lever. I'll be on the bridge.
Edit: My favourite one is NuKirk kicking the ship better in Into Darkness rather than trying to steer it into the harbour using thrusters. In his defence, he has appointed an 18 year old ensign with 6 months experience as his chief engineer thus pissing off all his engineering officers so volunteers were thin on the ground.
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It's the next day and I'm still thinking it was a great episode. YMMV.
I think I save time by quoting you instead of writing my own full review. I completely agree. I really don't understand how people can overlook past the plot being so shoddy. It is just a collection of actions scenes and dramatic moments, but there really isn't a solid logic behind any of it. Though a lot of TV and films are like this these days. There is certain scenes and events the makers want to include, and they happen whether it makes any sense or not. It is very well done, the acting, the action and the effects are top notch, but if the story isn't there it doesn't really matter. But I guess most people don't care if there's enough feels and explosions.I thought this was just awful. I‘m only on my phone at this moment, so I won‘t be able to write much. But boy, I did expect so much more from this finale. I‘m kinda dumbfounded at how many seem to have enjoyed this convoluted illogical mess of an episode. I almost feel stupid for not being able to just sit back and enjoy it more.
Just a couple of thoughts: Why was the ship fully manned when they made such a big point last week of the small group of people staying on the ship? Why did they only begin now to build the suit when they seemed to have so much time last week for all the goodbyes? And: Where and why did they initially see seven red signals, when there had only been five? Why was the red signal above Terralysium of any importance? Why does a door protect Pike from a torpedo blast? Why did they mention Number One‘s name mid-episode only to revert back to mysteriousness in the debriefing? Why couldn‘t they magnetize (or whatever) the floor beneath Leland earlier, like Spock did a couple of episodes ago? Why did they make a point of the crystal being only able to do ONE jump, when they did several this episode? Why did they still have to travel to the future if Control was disabled? And the mother of all (at least for me): Why the hell would they make a secret out of the Discovery and all people onboard? And how the fuck would that even work realistically? I‘m sorry, but this doesn‘t make even a lick of sense.
Sorry, I‘m just so massively disappointed in the finale and what this season, which started out so promising and had so many highlights, has come to. I can‘t honestly say I care how this show continues at this point.
As to people for people saying that there could be backup copies of Control somewhere, sure there could, and it would be prudent to destroy the sphere data. But there was no hurry anymore so they had plenty of time to figure out how to destroy the ship. (Maybe that Klingon fleet could have helped with that!). The whole time jump as an only way to get rid of the data really didn't make sense in the last episode, and it did even less sense after the Control was neutralised.
Let the SPICE of life FLOW.
ugh, the pacing and plot was terrible (creating an red angel suit in minutes under high pressure while big space pew pew, then long Spock/Burnham conversation in the Hanger for example) guess whatever the plot demands...
I like the actors overall, don't mind the visuals or some artistic (canon) freedom/wiggle room, but I'm happy it's done for the season and I hope the plot and character writing gets much better in S3.
to end on a positive note:
Pike, Una (number one) were a joy this season (and hopefully somehow again in the future
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Jett Reno seems to be just fineand seemingly unaffected by the time crystal.
I like the actors overall, don't mind the visuals or some artistic (canon) freedom/wiggle room, but I'm happy it's done for the season and I hope the plot and character writing gets much better in S3.
to end on a positive note:
Pike, Una (number one) were a joy this season (and hopefully somehow again in the future
) Jett Reno seems to be just fineand seemingly unaffected by the time crystal.
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Amaris
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My favorite decade. ♥Ah the 90s
If I'm entertained, if I gather something from it that has value to me, then mission accomplished. I don't like shows that focus on wife swapping, or flipping your house, but there are people who adore those shows. I don't have to like them, and that's okay because they don't have to measure their enjoyment by my standards. It says nothing about their ability to perceive or understand complex concepts.I think I save time by quoting you instead of writing my own full review. I completely agree. I really don't understand how people can overlook past the plot being so shoddy. It is just a collection of actions scenes and dramatic moments, but there really isn't a solid logic behind any of it. Though a lot of TV and films are like this these days. There is certain scenes and events the makers want to include, and they happen whether it makes any sense or not. It is very well done, the acting, the action and the effects are top notch, but if the story isn't there it doesn't really matter. But I guess most people don't care if there's enough feels and explosions.
As to people for people saying that there could be backup copies of Control somewhere, sure there could, and it would be prudent to destroy the sphere data. But there was no hurry anymore so they had plenty of time to figure out how to destroy the ship. (Maybe that Klingon fleet could have helped with that!). The whole time jump as an only way to get rid of the data really didn't make sense in the last episode, and it did even less sense after the Control was neutralised.
I fear the real reason is simply that Kurtzman is one hell of a push-over.
Part of the reason his "The Mummy"-movie failed so hard (and with it the entire Universal Monster Universe), was that he wasn't able to fight back when Tom Cruise took over and made it into "Mission Impossible: Mummy version".
When Kurtzman wrote "The Amazing Spider-Man 2: Electric Bogaloo" that tanked the Spider-Man franchise so hard Sony gave it back to MARVEL - he wasn't able to fight back against Sony's "Spider-Universe"-vision, and packed his movie crank-full with references and set-ups for future cross-over. And completely sidelined the actual movies storyline and character arcs.
When ST09 came out, people loved it, but lots of people complained about Kirk's way-too-fast promotion to Captain. Instead of ignoring or handwaving the issue - they completely rebuilt the next movie's premise around that, and Kirk suddenly had to learn the exact same thing - to be a Captain. Only that at that point he already had been a Captain for a long time. And looked pretty dumb for not having it learned during this time.
In every single Transformers movie, they completely changed up the entire backstory of the Transformers. In the first one, they came to Earth and had to learn human languages. In the next one, they had always been here, and destroyed Cybertron. In the next one, Cybertron suddenly re-appeared. Kurtzman wrote every single one of these. He should have fought for the continuity of his own characters.
In the same way - what happened on DIS last night seems like a massive personal defeat:
People complained for the show being a prequel. For not fitting into canon. And instead of standing up for their creation, they threw the entire premise of the show under the rug, to give in to exactly these specific fan demands. I don't believe for a single second they set the show in the future because they had a specific story to tell. This was simply giving in without standing up for themselves.
There is an extremely good advise for writers and creators: Listen to your readers complaints. They always have a point. But ignore their proposed solutions. Kurtzman needs to learn this lesson at some point.
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Gonzo
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Actually its a shame Connolly isnt still alive, he would have been perfect for the task.
I think I save time by quoting you instead of writing my own full review. I completely agree. I really don't understand how people can overlook past the plot being so shoddy. It is just a collection of actions scenes and dramatic moments, but there really isn't a solid logic behind any of it. Though a lot of TV and films are like this these days. There is certain scenes and events the makers want to include, and they happen whether it makes any sense or not. It is very well done, the acting, the action and the effects are top notch, but if the story isn't there it doesn't really matter. But I guess most people don't care if there's enough feels and explosions.
As to people for people saying that there could be backup copies of Control somewhere, sure there could, and it would be prudent to destroy the sphere data. But there was no hurry anymore so they had plenty of time to figure out how to destroy the ship. (Maybe that Klingon fleet could have helped with that!). The whole time jump as an only way to get rid of the data really didn't make sense in the last episode, and it did even less sense after the Control was neutralised.
They had already committed themselves to taking the ship to the future early on. Why change their strategy when they are actually able to to act on it? Because some in the audience don't want them to? Weird.
Yes, in Troi's test they would have considered that sacrificing an ensign to save an admiral was more than justified. In fact that's how they would have done it TODAY, in any army or navy in the world.
Sony never gave Spiderman back to Marvel. They still own the rights. Feige came to them with a deal they couldn't refuse. They got all the money from the Marvel films he starred in and Marvel got to put him in a few of their team up films.
I noticed this in the credits a few weeks ago, but has anyone else spotted the member of the production crew named Matt Decker? 
I didn't notice the doctor doing it, but it's been a trademark of Burnham's since Season 1, and I kinda like it.
Christopher Pike wouldn't be happy in Picard's era.
There probably wasn't enough time to get them there from outside. It's as good an explanation as any.
You mean for a little 'psychiatric correction'?
Remembering the transporters is not Pike's strong suit, in fairness
Poor fella had himself pushed himself into being in charge of one of the biggest sci fi franchises as rivals were fired or went by the wayside. I weep for him. I need to be that unassertive too.
somehow it fits
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