Year of Hell is what Voyager could have been, encapsulated in a two part story.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x14 - "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2"
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I always find it odd the assumption that in order for VOY to work it must be dark, gritty and depressing. 
50 pages, oh my... Until then, let me say that has to be the most "Discovery" Discovery ever. Whatever you think of the show, whatever it's become over the two seasons, that was it cranked to 11 or more. And damn, truly feature film worthy in terms of presentation.
The novelty will wear off unless it is very well-written. Exact same thing as the upcoming Picard show.
Star Trek receives a bit of slack vs. any original sci-fi fantasy series because of the nostalgia factor. A Pike Show or a Picard Show doubles up a bit to the nostalgia factor, but runs the risk (as has Discovery) of causing vocal discord amongst the most fanatical.
You know a new episode of Star Trek is an A+ when the morning after it airs the fandom is critiquing what could have been on another Star Trek show instead. 
This was a fantastic season finale that closed out a significantly improved second year. Control was a pretty lame villain figure, but other than that I have no major qualms with season 2. Color me impressed, Alex.
This was a fantastic season finale that closed out a significantly improved second year. Control was a pretty lame villain figure, but other than that I have no major qualms with season 2. Color me impressed, Alex.
I think the Picard Series will be a good gauge for how far up CBS All Access Trek can go. It would draw more people than the Pike Show or Discovery. That's fine with me (I'll get into why two paragraphs down). My friends grew up with TNG. That's their Star Trek. I was the oddball, being the TOS fan. A lot of them are looking forward to the Picard Series.
They wouldn't really care about Pike. Other than "I remember Pike from the Abrams Movies!" To them, those films are either "JJ Trek" or they think of them as comic book movies. "I went to see X-Men!" "I went to see Iron Man!" "I went to see Star Trek!" It's in that vein. They're movies they went to see, but they wouldn't watch them every week.
TNG is their sweet spot. Not mine. But theirs. So they'll either love it because it's more Picard, or they'll hate it because they'll be like, "What have they done to Picard?!" If they're onboard with the Picard Series, I'll recommend to them to give Discovery a look. Or I'll invite them over for a get-together to get them hooked when they're most receptive to it. I already hooked a couple of my friends into the series using that strategy and by talking it up in general.
But all by itself, I don't think a Pike Series would get more fans than Discovery, just some different fans, with a ton of overlap. It might drive up CBSAA Subscription Numbers a little, but not by much.
They wouldn't really care about Pike. Other than "I remember Pike from the Abrams Movies!" To them, those films are either "JJ Trek" or they think of them as comic book movies. "I went to see X-Men!" "I went to see Iron Man!" "I went to see Star Trek!" It's in that vein. They're movies they went to see, but they wouldn't watch them every week.
TNG is their sweet spot. Not mine. But theirs. So they'll either love it because it's more Picard, or they'll hate it because they'll be like, "What have they done to Picard?!" If they're onboard with the Picard Series, I'll recommend to them to give Discovery a look. Or I'll invite them over for a get-together to get them hooked when they're most receptive to it. I already hooked a couple of my friends into the series using that strategy and by talking it up in general.
But all by itself, I don't think a Pike Series would get more fans than Discovery, just some different fans, with a ton of overlap. It might drive up CBSAA Subscription Numbers a little, but not by much.
9/10. Team Discovery have learned how to craft a satisfying conclusion. Loved every minute of it. Some of it was fanwank (like everyone being sworn to secrecy about Michael Burnham), but here it was done really well.
It's the weirdest thing to callout, but I loved the wormhole jump effect, where everything goes 2D and the perspective shifts. Snazzy way to show extra-dimensional travel.
Looking forward to Discovery: 3207.
It's the weirdest thing to callout, but I loved the wormhole jump effect, where everything goes 2D and the perspective shifts. Snazzy way to show extra-dimensional travel.
Looking forward to Discovery: 3207.
Not so much that, but apart from the rare no-name dying there just wasn't any skin in the game. There were no repercussions. There could have at least been more conflict with the Maquis crew, but this was a show that quite clearly was the frozen embryo lovechild of Roddenberry, and the writers showed the same reluctance to internal conflict that plagued TNG even into the movie era (see Frake's recent comments on that in an interview this week).I always find it odd the assumption that in order for VOY to work it must be dark, gritty and depressing.
There was no deprivation. Yes a few people lost their loved ones but Voyager was so nice to live on, worse things happen at sea, etc. It didn't have to be dark, and the carpets could probably stay spotless, but there was no urgency. Only Harry Kim seemed to give a damn about getting back. Janeway did it out of duty. The Maquis were possibly facing jail terms when they got home, and Neelix... the hell with Neelix.
yeah ... he says ."..conn Una "
I can hear it quite clearly when I adjust my sound system to the 'Clear Voice' option.
So...you both agree with me?
Your friends sound like me, except I’m a fanatical enough fan that I’m here for anything Star Trek. But yeah. Growing up, TNG (and DS9/Voyager) were my jam. I didn’t even have much of a care that Discovery was bringing in Pike this year.
(Joke’s on me, though. Anson Mount was amazing.)
9/10. Team Discovery have learned how to craft a satisfying conclusion. Loved every minute of it. Some of it was fanwank (like everyone being sworn to secrecy about Michael Burnham), but here it was done really well.
It's the weirdest thing to callout, but I loved the wormhole jump effect, where everything goes 2D and the perspective shifts. Snazzy way to show extra-dimensional travel.
Looking forward to Discovery: 3207.
Dude, the wormhole jump was ACES.
I wonder how L'Rell explained Tyler. I mean she said that he killed him because he was a Federation traitor who also killed her son. She showed the Klingons his detached head! Just two episodes ago in 2x12 she said that if the Klingons would know that Tyler is still alive that the Klingon Empire would be vulnerable to sedition. And now he is standing on the Klingon bridge and no one seems to care? Why is no one trying to kill L'Rell and Tyler for being liars and traitors? They faked Tyler's and their son's death because a lot of Klingons lost their trust in L'Rell because they thought she might be a puppet of the Federation. Why are there no consequences for Tyler appearing alive and L'Rell being happy to work with him again?
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And They named him after a 24th century Klingon BOP.One of the Klingons was played by Glenn Hetrick, their lead makeup guy who helped make the new Klingons
https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/K'vort_class
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She literally did. I lol’d.
I have to confess I don't deserve any points.I missed he named her at all. Points for observation
I went back and re watched the scene when I saw people on here posting about it.
I did not catch it the first time around.
Also loved that the Turbolift Funhouse was confirmed to be in the neck, and that scene where a turbolift went off the rails and crashed down wounding Paul, was fucking awesome.
Oh is that what happened? I did not get why they were all suddenly injured. I thought it was just regular ship shake
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