Oh hey, did we get Number One's name as "Una". Thought I heard Pike call her that during his order for her to return to the bridge.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x14 - "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2"
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I'm not sure what to think so I can't rate it yet.
I'll just throw out random thoughts.
-I loved Georgiou taunting Control at the end. She's so deliciously malicious.
-For once, Tilly wasn't annoying.
-Blast doors can stop that torpedo?
-I will miss Cornwell. I really liked her. But that kinda gurl power shake hands at the end wasn't necessary.
-Speaking of necessary, was Saru's sister necessary?
-Lots of stuff for the fans. They may have laid it on a bit thick, but as a TOS fan, I rather liked it.
-Not so keen on Disco going forward 950 years. Yes, I comprehend breaking away from canon, but this isn't what I signed up for. It's just too far away from the rest.
-The explanations as to never talking about Burnham, Discovery, spore drive, etc. were freakin' LAME.
-The battle was too busy. I'm more into people, not pew-pew.
-Spock looked better WITH the beard. Pity he couldn't keep it. Love seeing him in the blue shirt though.
-No Borg. THANK YOU.
-No timeline reset. THANK YOU.
-No cliffhanger. Well, not really. I'm kind of glad about that.
More later, after a rewatch.
To Alex Kurtzman: I swear that ending was a tease for a new Pike/Spock/Number One Enterprise series. If this is just a tease and we don't get it - I hate you.
In all seriousness - I'll watch all the other crap (and I don't have a lot of interest in S31 or the Picard show), if we get the other. This Romulan will BEG and Romulans don't beg.
Also - this line "When they say goodbye, she says, 'I want you to find the person who is least like you,' and she's obviously talking about Kirk." I disagree. My first thought was "McCoy." Yeah, Kirk was his friend, but McCoy challenged and pushed him all the time. McCoy is the person LEAST like Spock, not Kirk. Kirk is more logical than McCoy (sorry Bones), and less emotional than McCoy.
Anyhow - I liked the ep, in spite of too many goodies thrown at the fans. You know, if I didn't know that there was a S3 of Disco, I'd swear that was a farewell episode for them. Glad it's not. Hope they can survive without Pike, Spock et al. I'm not so sure of that.
So hell. That's it 'til next year.
P.S. Please no Fall of the Federation 950 years from now. I watch Trek because it was mostly optimistic. That would not be.
I'll just throw out random thoughts.
-I loved Georgiou taunting Control at the end. She's so deliciously malicious.
-For once, Tilly wasn't annoying.
-Blast doors can stop that torpedo?
-I will miss Cornwell. I really liked her. But that kinda gurl power shake hands at the end wasn't necessary.
-Speaking of necessary, was Saru's sister necessary?
-Lots of stuff for the fans. They may have laid it on a bit thick, but as a TOS fan, I rather liked it.
-Not so keen on Disco going forward 950 years. Yes, I comprehend breaking away from canon, but this isn't what I signed up for. It's just too far away from the rest.
-The explanations as to never talking about Burnham, Discovery, spore drive, etc. were freakin' LAME.
-The battle was too busy. I'm more into people, not pew-pew.
-Spock looked better WITH the beard. Pity he couldn't keep it. Love seeing him in the blue shirt though.
-No Borg. THANK YOU.
-No timeline reset. THANK YOU.
-No cliffhanger. Well, not really. I'm kind of glad about that.
More later, after a rewatch.
To Alex Kurtzman: I swear that ending was a tease for a new Pike/Spock/Number One Enterprise series. If this is just a tease and we don't get it - I hate you.
In all seriousness - I'll watch all the other crap (and I don't have a lot of interest in S31 or the Picard show), if we get the other. This Romulan will BEG and Romulans don't beg.Also - this line "When they say goodbye, she says, 'I want you to find the person who is least like you,' and she's obviously talking about Kirk." I disagree. My first thought was "McCoy." Yeah, Kirk was his friend, but McCoy challenged and pushed him all the time. McCoy is the person LEAST like Spock, not Kirk. Kirk is more logical than McCoy (sorry Bones), and less emotional than McCoy.
Anyhow - I liked the ep, in spite of too many goodies thrown at the fans. You know, if I didn't know that there was a S3 of Disco, I'd swear that was a farewell episode for them. Glad it's not. Hope they can survive without Pike, Spock et al. I'm not so sure of that.
So hell. That's it 'til next year.
P.S. Please no Fall of the Federation 950 years from now. I watch Trek because it was mostly optimistic. That would not be.
Pretty damn convenient that the single door protected Pike yet it took a big chunk out of the surrounding portion of the ship anyway.
Obviously it was really about the plot armor, not the emergency bulkhead. Someone really should have sat the writers down and explained that just because something makes great dramatic sense doesn't mean it makes good logical sense. Even just having Pike get into a turbolift or something would have made it more excusable.
So season 3 is going to be the adventures of a 1000 year out of date ship flying around?
Look I like the cast of discovery, I like some of the episodes and characters, I'm not a hater of this show by any means but I don't get this at all.
More and more I just feel like the people behind this show don't know what they are doing. Like they had an original plan but audience reaction keeps causing them to change their plans, and now they are throwing blindly, hoping something will hit.
I WANT TO defend this show, but at this stage, just give us a pike and spock show and let it end.
I'll of course give S3 a chance but I do not have high hopes.
Look I like the cast of discovery, I like some of the episodes and characters, I'm not a hater of this show by any means but I don't get this at all.
More and more I just feel like the people behind this show don't know what they are doing. Like they had an original plan but audience reaction keeps causing them to change their plans, and now they are throwing blindly, hoping something will hit.
I WANT TO defend this show, but at this stage, just give us a pike and spock show and let it end.
I'll of course give S3 a chance but I do not have high hopes.
That was a turbolift he was in.
Why are you so sure the Federation is gone? There are other avenues that they can go with. Let's wait and see what they come up with *before* complaining. Yeah, I know this is the Internet and all, but it might actually be good!
It is a silly contrivance. Agreed. I was noting the internal plot logic only. I mean, a blast door that could contain a M/AM explosion is nonsense; to have a window in the blast door is nonsense on stilts.
But as I read in the IGN review, you either go with that sort of plotting if you want to enjoy DSC, or you don’t. The character work and the idea of sacrifice was well played, so I guess I’m going with it.
I'll look out for that on the re-watch.
As I've said before, I think fundamentally Trek isn't so much about its lore as just having a framework that can be used to tell interesting stories of any sort in a sci-fi setting. The desire to tie everything into existing Trek history in fact severely limits the type of story which can be told, which is detrimental to the franchise.
I mean, time will tell. Voyager had an amazing premise which could have been well used, but was just pissed away by telling watered-down TNG stories. Discovery could go to the future and basically just do the same shit they were doing in the 23rd century without the fankwank. Or they could break out and do something incredibly different. Personally I'm optimistic.
With the Spore Drive and how far it could go, and where it could take us, leaving behind what we know was always a possibility with this series. Granted, it wasn't the Spore Drive that got Discovery to wherever/whenever it's heading now, but it's the same idea.
I hear you on that. However, some people need those connections made nice and clear. Here is why none of these things are never mentioned again!
It's kind of funny actually because the canon police have these complaints, and now these things ARE canon because they were was explicitly stated onscreen. So, the canon police should now be enforcing *that*!
There's hope for a spin off :
You not only brought in Spock this season, but also Anson Mount, who garnered a lot of critical praise and even a fan petition to get a Pike spin-off. Is there a chance of that happening?
The fans have been heard. Anything is possible in the world of Trek. I would love to bring back that crew more than anything. It was a huge risk for us. One of the most gratifying things is to see how deeply the fans have embraced Pike, Spock, Number One, and the Enterprise. The idea of getting to tell more stories with them would be a delight for all of us.
I agree with you on all counts, except for S3. I am taking the advice of many in here. Because I now am convinced that this new Star Trek is just not for me. To all others, live long and prosper.
That's what bums me. They didn't do a timeline reset, but this most definitely indicates that the show is basically going to completely reset with the exception of the characters and ship in S3. It's unnecessary and it's a bit of an over-reaction in my opinion.
Give me a break.
TOS was 3 seasons and 6 movies.
ENT was 4 seasons and set 100 years prior to TOS, which means it's absolutely ridiculous to lump it dismissively with TOS
The 24th century era got 21 fucking seasons and 4 movies.
TOS era was a great place to go back and explore as it was barely touched upon in the franchise. Even with DSC's two seasons, it doesn't even come close.
And like others said very wisely in a different thread out here, the time setting is virtually meaningless in the grand scheme of things.
No cliffhanger? What is this? Definitely didn’t expect that. Last 5 min definitely a back-pilot to new Pike series.
Solid 6.
Battle was too busy. Since when do fighters in Star Trek exist as viable tactic. And wtf were all control ships doing during the battle.
And Cornwell sacrifice was a little like, why?
And lastly, since they killed Leland and Control why did they have to go to future again?
Solid 6.
Battle was too busy. Since when do fighters in Star Trek exist as viable tactic. And wtf were all control ships doing during the battle.
And Cornwell sacrifice was a little like, why?
And lastly, since they killed Leland and Control why did they have to go to future again?
Are the really 950 years into the future though? 
We never actually get a confirmation. Kurtzman could very well be trying to throw us off the scent. They have said S3 would continue to link back up with cannon, plus we know Georgiou is onboard Discovery, and she has a S31 show to get too.
Plus we know the Federation has time travel abilities in the future, so if Control really is defeated, why not send Discovery back to its own time
Are they even still in the Prime universe anymore?!
Not saying that’s the case, but we really don’t know till next season where we will actually end up. The red signal Pike and co see at the end could be a cry for help from Burnham and Discovery
We never actually get a confirmation. Kurtzman could very well be trying to throw us off the scent. They have said S3 would continue to link back up with cannon, plus we know Georgiou is onboard Discovery, and she has a S31 show to get too.
Plus we know the Federation has time travel abilities in the future, so if Control really is defeated, why not send Discovery back to its own time
Are they even still in the Prime universe anymore?!Not saying that’s the case, but we really don’t know till next season where we will actually end up. The red signal Pike and co see at the end could be a cry for help from Burnham and Discovery
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Ha ha, me too. Now that I can relax and just enjoy it without wondering what will come next.
I don't blame you but I still have some hope. If the picard show is a let down I'll be joining you
I don't think Tilly was technically in a Jefferies tube, but the initial camera angle at which she was shot working had to be an Easter egg. Liked the "Do Not Tamper" sign in there, too. Nice touch.
They'll have me for season three as long as the producers don't decide to go all dystopian on us.
They'll have me for season three as long as the producers don't decide to go all dystopian on us.
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