It sounds like you convinced yourself it would end in a very particular way and then you were disappointed when it ended differently.
The ending was to wrap up the 23rd century portion of the show. The future is now wide open for Discovery!
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x14 - "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2"
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The ending was to wrap up the 23rd century portion of the show. The future is now wide open for Discovery!
It made sense to have a big send off for the Enterprise, Pike and Spock.
They are not going to be in Season-3, so there'd be no other way to close out their story with a somewhat emotionally satisfying conclusion.
I know they feel as though they've freed themselves from the continuity police with this clever plot device, but they really haven't. The complaining isn't going to stop by going into the future. If you rip apart the Federation, Trek fans will just complain "you weren't content to destroy the past? now you destroy Trek's future too?" and "omg nothing Kirk and PIcard do matters because the Federation will just die anyway".
You can't win with Trek fans. You can't out-clever them, this isn't Star Wars.
You can't win with Trek fans. You can't out-clever them, this isn't Star Wars.
You can't win with fans...period.
We’re posting at cross purposes here. I agree that this is an inexplicable policy—every submarine movie has a scene where the captain decides to drown three seamen to save the boat—but if there’s on-screen evidence that those are The Rules in this fictional space navy, then the fraught looks among the command-rank players make sense in this context.Yet they've got shlubs in jumpsuits handling the antimatter.
You're probably right. But we don't know if they're going to do that. They might. But I think it's more likely the Federation just turns into something else. Back in 2000, when Andromeda started, I imagined the Commonwealth would be something the Federation might eventually become.
It would be funny if this successor to the Federation had some sort of Prime Directive of its own where they considered Discovery to be part of a primitive society and didn't interfere with it or reveal its existence.
I'm not saying that's what I want to see. I'm just saying there are different things they can do. It doesn't have to be "The Fall of the Federation".
At the very least, we know the Federation makes it to the 29th Century. I think 31st too? ENT Fans help me out.
Epic battle for a finale. Almost like they made it as if they didn't get renewed for season 3. They set it 1000 yrs into future?
The battle was like a cross between star wars and Robotech. That armada made the Borg look like child's play. Lelan's "Count it again" line was a nice moment.
Too bad they killed off Kornwall. She made the sacrifice.
Cleave Ship was amazing, remined me of that TNG movie. Kinda weird how fast Kelpians became high tech, but is Saru did it in one lifetime, I guess her sister can too.
Liked the Klingon ships. Lorell's yelling "it's a good day to die" in Klingon was awesome.
Georgius fight scene is good as always. Look to see her sadistic side. I want to see you scream...
They quoted Neil Degrass Tyson "The universe is under no obligation to make sense to me"!!!
Love how the Golden gate bridge is just solar panels.
Number 1 is always called Number 1
The battle was like a cross between star wars and Robotech. That armada made the Borg look like child's play. Lelan's "Count it again" line was a nice moment.
Too bad they killed off Kornwall. She made the sacrifice.
Cleave Ship was amazing, remined me of that TNG movie. Kinda weird how fast Kelpians became high tech, but is Saru did it in one lifetime, I guess her sister can too.
Liked the Klingon ships. Lorell's yelling "it's a good day to die" in Klingon was awesome.
Georgius fight scene is good as always. Look to see her sadistic side. I want to see you scream...
They quoted Neil Degrass Tyson "The universe is under no obligation to make sense to me"!!!
Love how the Golden gate bridge is just solar panels.
Number 1 is always called Number 1
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The line was likely written and filmed long before the "Pike Show""idea really started gaining true momentum.
I agree.
I like DSC, and I've enjoyed the hell out if the last 2 seasons (perhaps more than any other post -TOS show), but this ending all but confirms my worst suspicions (and nightmares): the creative team really DOES listen to online crazies bitching and takes cues from that in their creative decisions.
I guess I should listen to the parents screaming from the stands about what plays we should run next fall.
I was underwhelmed. Perhaps I am off tge reservation a bit, but here are my gripes:
1) I thought the suit only had enough juice to make 1 jump (which is why it was a 1 way trip)? To my eye she made AT LEAST 7. WTF?
2) Why not send a neat repair drone, or tie a rope or something, to pull the lever? Had plenty of time.
3) Blast door with window stops torpedo explosion? COME ON.
4) Yeah, I know the fate of all life in the galaxy hangs in the balance, but I need a little me time right now. Let's have a personal conversation for some emotional impact, eh?
5) What exactly were Burnham & Spock standing/landing on at the end?
6) Kinda hard to erase DISCO from memory. And what does that have to do with preventing an AI rise again? Seems like the Spore Data should really be the thing that is secret. Especially if the Disco is destroyed thing takes.
Likes:
1) Control was not the Borg.
Hopefully some of my gripes are off base.
1) I thought the suit only had enough juice to make 1 jump (which is why it was a 1 way trip)? To my eye she made AT LEAST 7. WTF?
2) Why not send a neat repair drone, or tie a rope or something, to pull the lever? Had plenty of time.
3) Blast door with window stops torpedo explosion? COME ON.
4) Yeah, I know the fate of all life in the galaxy hangs in the balance, but I need a little me time right now. Let's have a personal conversation for some emotional impact, eh?
5) What exactly were Burnham & Spock standing/landing on at the end?
6) Kinda hard to erase DISCO from memory. And what does that have to do with preventing an AI rise again? Seems like the Spore Data should really be the thing that is secret. Especially if the Disco is destroyed thing takes.
Likes:
1) Control was not the Borg.
Hopefully some of my gripes are off base.
Cool, my CBSAA shuts down on the 5th.
One issue I had was when Pike, Spock, Number One, and Tyler all told Starfleet Intelligence they'd never speak of Discovery or the Spore Drive ever again. That reeked of bowing down to Angry Fans. Same with Number One's line in the previous episode of "We'll never have holographic communicators again." Lines like those take me out of it because I know why they're there.
How about tie a rope to the handle, stand on the other side of door and pull rope since the handle pull is down to close door/bulkhead.
No, not at all. For all we know Craft's people were like some future version of the Maquis, or a human population which happened to be in a belligerent empire similar to the Dominion. Just because he was a nice guy doesn't mean the V'draysh were bad.
I probably need to watch again, but I didn't get the Cornwell/Pike dialogue. It sounded like she knew all about his future. And it made no character sense that Pike wouldn't insist on being the one to die there. But he has a date with the beep beep chair, so he couldn't.
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They did not have confirmation that control was completely eliminated from Starfleet systems. The only shot to ensure control couldn’t evolve was to make the time jump.
In Spock’s debrief we hear him as if control is completely eliminated and the response from the debriefing admiral - I agree that it’s Mendez - is YES. The problem is they had no way of knowing that in the moment when Burnham and Discovery jumped.
They did not have confirmation that control was completely eliminated from Starfleet systems. The only shot to ensure control couldn’t evolve was to make the time jump.
In Spock’s debrief we hear him as if control is completely eliminated and the response from the debriefing admiral - I agree that it’s Mendez - is YES. The problem is they had no way of knowing that in the moment when Burnham and Discovery jumped.
I guess, but it just strikes me as a silly contrivance of the sort Discovery is guilty of way too often. I didn't get the point of that whole sequence, as we subsequently see that the front half of the saucer section has been blown off. Nice try, Admiral Cornwell.
At least that blast door had a window so Pike could see what was going on. Handy.
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Conversely we've had two series focused on the pre/TOS era. Time for something new imo.I got enough of Treks future with the Berman years.
I'm not especially looking forward to another 900 year jump.
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