Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x12 - "Through the Valley of Shadows"

[Mr Awe]

And I personally see no problem in trying to mix the aesthetics. And I can't make a judgment call until we see the whole set. But if you want to go there...

I don't care about the chairs. They're a minor thing. I RARELY pay attention to where the characters are sitting.

I really don't give a shit that they have a big window (or transparent aluminum viewport or whatever) with a HUD as opposed to a 75" flat panel TV (even if I actually do prefer the prior because it actually makes more sense to have an actual viewport out into space with data that can be put up there as opposed to a viewscreen that you have to turn on and off).

I care what the overall package looks like. And as for myself, I don't know what the whole bridge looks like. I don't know what it looks like together and I can't make a judgment call based on two seconds of footage at one angle.

But that could just be me.

I agree completely. Chairs and stuff are minutia. I really like the overall look and based on the limited view we got, I like it!

 

[DaveyNY]

I wonder if Mary Wiseman took a couple of episodes off to plan her wedding?
(which was in February)

 

[fireproof78]

I really don't give a shit that they have a big window (or transparent aluminum viewport or whatever) with a HUD as opposed to a 75" flat panel TV (even if I actually do prefer the prior because it actually makes more sense to have an actual viewport out into space with data that can be put up there as opposed to a viewscreen that you have to turn on and off).

Well, I'm with you.

 

[Neumann]

Just a little thought here. I don't buy that this is a Borg origin story, but if it were...

Wouldn't the plot twist be to create cybernetically connected lifeforms as a defense towards something like Control?

The borg would be the answer to such a threat. Basically a deep dive into the Elon Musk' original sci-fi argument for Neuralink.

Thoughts?

 

[Tuskin38]

https://twitter.com/gryphonmetal/status/1114240016383746048

https://twitter.com/marythechief/status/1114239456142172160

 

[Nerys Myk]

Don't know about Control being the Borg. All those clunky Borg add ons seem to be a bit of a down grade compared to Control's nanite swarm.

 

[Campe]

That chair's light is far bigger than the original! Still, its a gorgeous prop.

 

[JD]

How about something a little simpler. Download the data into a backup drive (or drives) and phaser them? Someone on board has a big enough 'thumb drive' .... Right?

Q2

They couldn't get the data out of the computer and into the suit, so I doubt they could put into a backup drive.
We already know that they won't be destroying Discovery, it has to be around for another 1000 years so it can be the setting for Calypso.

 

[SG-17]

Don't know about Control being the Borg. All those clunky Borg add ons seem to be a bit of a down grade compared to Control's nanite swarm.

I don't know, Control's nanites seem rather inefficient. Borg nanoprobes appear to be much more versatile. Plus they aren't ferromagnetic.

 

[Jon holder]

One major fact that all the Borg theories have overlooked.
Tye Borg had no knowledge of the Federation or any involvement in the alpha quadrant until Q sent the Enterprise D into their space.
If control is the Borg genesis then they would already have had that knowledge.

 

[Alan Roi]

How about something a little simpler. Download the data into a backup drive (or drives) and phaser them? Someone on board has a big enough 'thumb drive' .... Right?

Q2

Do you know anyone who has a big enough thumbdrive to hold the data of what's on every computer on planet Earth right now? Because that's what you're looking at as a rough comparison based on what we've been told.

 

[saladdays]

One major fact that all the Borg theories have overlooked.
Tye Borg had no knowledge of the Federation or any involvement in the alpha quadrant until Q sent the Enterprise D into their space.
If control is the Borg genesis then they would already have had that knowledge.

This wasn't forgotten by everyone. I've seen theories that say that, I believe, since 7 of 9 stated in Voyager that early Borg history is fragmented, for whatever reason, the Borg don't necessarily know exactly how they originated. Or at least that's what I think I've read.

 

[GNDN18]

I think the new chair improves on everything that was right with the original prop.

 

[Alan Roi]

This wasn't forgotten by everyone. I've seen theories that say that, I believe, since 7 of 9 stated in Voyager that early Borg history is fragmented, for whatever reason, the Borg don't necessarily know exactly how they originated. Or at least that's what I think I've read.

Probably weren't discriminating enough early on and absorbed lots of flat earthers, anti-vaxxers, conspiracty theorists and religious nuts to into the collective.

 

[drt]

I think the new chair improves on everything that was right with the original prop.

Pike being more confined/encased makes the whole thing way creepier.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

God what an absolutely horrible episode. It contained almost everything bad about DSC. Some features of note:

- Incomprehensible fortune cookie dialogue in place of adult communication

- Everyone speaks like "I feel in my heart that the solution lies in our destiny"

- Or "my destiny is to use warmth to conquer the unknown paths of fate"

- (I strung the above sentence together by placing random words in a sentence)

- Science being treated as high fantasy plot device to service badly-conceived emotion-wank

- Everyone believes they see predestination everywhere; they are all 6th century BCE mystics

- Things happen to serve the writer's plot, rather than developing logically out of the story

- "That is who I am", "you are angry / no, I'm enraged", "your destiny will be locked in place"

Serious question: are some of the writers part of a fundamentalist cult? Who fucking speaks like this? Aum Shinrikyo?

I just can't understand how anyone can enjoy this stuff. It is literally cringe inducing. A pulpy show like Arrow or Supergirl, which are not the pinnacle of genre entertainment, are more grounded and enjoyable than this. I watch an episode which is semi-decent like Brother then tune in next week and am physically repulsed by the levels of shlock dialogue.

Take this line:

L'rell "How did you speak to our son."

Pike, hesitant "I couldn't even begin to explain."

I can fucking explain in less than ten words - 'he grew up faster and is an adult now'. I really wish I was over-reacting, that this was some kind of Last Jedi style fan hyperbole, but one in every 3 episodes is just objectively terrible. Star Trek is in the control of amateurs.

See you later then? Personally I'm confused how people who hate the show keep on watching it.

Also you are over-reacting

 

[F. King Daniel]

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I think the new chair improves on everything that was right with the original prop.

Could Pike move the chair himself in "The Menagerie"? Because he definitely does here. My impression was that he was a total vegetable and the only interaction he had with the world was beeps.

 

[Vger23]

See you later then? Personally I'm confused how people who hate the show keep on watching it.

Also you are over-reacting

WERST EPASOD EVAR!!!1!1!

 

[Vger23]

Could Pike move the chair himself in "The Menagerie"? Because he definitely does here. My impression was that he was a total vegetable and the only interaction he had with the world was beeps.

He moved the chair himself in The Menagerie. He turns around by himself the very first time we see him.

 

[GNDN18]

Could Pike move the chair himself in "The Menagerie"? Because he definitely does here. My impression was that he was a total vegetable and the only interaction he had with the world was beeps.

Oh, he could move it forwards; backwards slightly.

ETA:

MENDEZ: And totally unable to move, Jim. His wheel chair is constructed to respond to his brain waves. Oh, he can turn it, move it forwards, or backwards slightly.