OK that might have been my bad.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x11 - "Perpetual Infinity"
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So what time frame is the Control that is in Leland's body from? The 32nd century? Plus am I understanding correctly that there is still human life on Terralysium in the destroyed future that Gabrielle made her base on?
So we have three potential timelines here now.
1st the future of Daniels, we know from Daniels' database that a retrofitted dorsal carrier would be commissioned in 3125 so in his timeline the Federation still exists in the 32nd century.
2nd the future of Calypso where apparently the Federation has degraded into the V'draysh by the 33rd century.
3rd the future of Control where most sentient life has been wiped out in the galaxy by the 32nd century.
So we have three potential timelines here now.
1st the future of Daniels, we know from Daniels' database that a retrofitted dorsal carrier would be commissioned in 3125 so in his timeline the Federation still exists in the 32nd century.
2nd the future of Calypso where apparently the Federation has degraded into the V'draysh by the 33rd century.
3rd the future of Control where most sentient life has been wiped out in the galaxy by the 32nd century.
According to the episode, Control needs the sphere data in order to become sentient. But that is still a bit odd since Control seems pretty sentient already.
except it doesn't work very well. No one else who has time travelled has been shown to be bounced back to some central point over and over again like a yoyo.
Dr Burnham, "You don't understand. Time is savage. It breathes. It hates. It.."
Cdr Burnham, "No mom, it isn't, and you're starting to sound like that fire inspector from the movie Backdraft"
Dr Burnham, "Backdraft is a good movie. Baldwin and De Niro in their prime. I've seen it over 23,000 times, daughter. What is it with you and this Tyler guy? You know he's a Klingon, right? Anyway I don't want to talk to you, I want to talk to Captain Pike to give him vague feelings of justifiable dread."
Cdr Burnham, "You just built a lousy time machine, that's all."
Yeah its kind of weird. We know that by the 26th century archaeologists regularly use time travel to study the past.
True, but my reading was that because she got shot by that Klingon mid-beamout
When I was a kid i thought Backdraft was about a fire monster. Imagine my disappointment when I actually watched it only to find out it was about regular fire.
In Light and Shadows, it's discovered that the probe was modified 500 hundred years in the future, so the Control in Leland's body is from the 28th century.
I'm glad Terralysium was brought up. By having a human civilization that was pre-warp and far away from everything else, it guaranteed that some humans would survive no matter what Control did. And by lifting them from the WWIII Era, you have a group of people where it would never seriously occur to anyone that they were sent to the other side of the galaxy. Then later on, post-warp Earth and eventually the Federation would never go looking for them.
I don’t remember them saying more sentient in this episode. I think they said it wants the data to evolve more. It basically wants more knowledge.
Didn't mama B say in the episode that the suit was bonded to her on a genetic level, that only she could operate it? Maybe that's why when it was pulled back to the future she was also pulled back?
Also we see how she gets into the suit it just flows over her.
Also we see how she gets into the suit it just flows over her.
Exactly. I know it's a bit confusing but this is how I understand it:
Control in the 23rd century is benign. The Control in Leland's body and previously in Airiam is from the 28th century, transported to the 23rd by the modified probe. By the 28th century it has become sentient and for some reason wants to destroy all life, however it is not quite strong enough to do so (it needs to acquire the sphere data to get stronger). In the 32nd century, all life is dead so it has acquired the sphere data to make itself stronger and Burnham's mom is trying to stop this from happening.
PS: whoever said in a previous post that you don't need to pay close attention to Discovery is full of it
Two episodes ago, they said it wanted full history of AI in order to perfect itself, attain complete sentience and avoid any of their previous mistakes or something like that.
Another thing to keep in mind about Control is that it seems incapable of travelling through time by itself, it needs the wormhole that's opened by the red angel suit.
I get a chuckle of how this is becoming the exact same continuity nightmare that Seven Of Nine's family backstory was. How many more female protagonists must we endure whose traumatic pasts crucially involve "my parents were somehow years/decades/centuries ahead of everyone else in larger Trek continuity"?
I totally think there was a line reading that would have saved it that Michelle Yeoh didn't find (though obviously the poor woman can't be expected to spin every single shitty line into gold). But I can sort of see people from this universe calling it the Prime Universe, and I can see her maybe picking up the terminology and using it derisively -- that was the key to maybe landing that, a line reading that made it clear how disdainfully and mockingly she regarded the Prime Universe term specifically.
Or, you know, the writers could write some lines that aren't so impossibly challenging to deliver in any sort of authentic or compelling or human way. That would be good too.
I can hear a thousand keyboards typing about why a universe and a timeline are different
I think I'm going to need to read some of that, because that is the exact question plaguing me!
I am getting such a sinking feeling about how this is all going to wind up. It increasingly feels like they're boxing themselves into some sort of timeline reset, which would be such a disapointment, and a complete waste of all the good work they'd done this season (the first 8 eps, anyway) actually tying this into the larger Trek continuity in an effective way.
Throw Momma from the Time Travel TrainA 7/10 this week
Save Mama From The Time Machine
Well, well where do we begins. No funny Tilly scenes this week but a fast episode. They have mama Burnham inside the containment field but problems above. Their main problem is that the suit and mama are linked to the future despite severing the wormhole because reasons. They severed the wormhole that should be the end of it and that's what I was thinking but hey Star Trek and reasons. Seems that despite that the future wants the suit and her back. Some link still ties them together. So they devise a plan which revolves around "more power" yep shove more power into the containment field that will fix it.
But after watching the episode I get the impression shoving more power into it is causing the pull to increase more from outside and yeah sure enough the wormhole reopens sucking the suit and mama Burnham into it.
Leland has been nanofied. The effects used keep making me think of Borg nanites but we know this isn't that but anyway he's nanofied now and is now NanoLeland. I'll just call him Nano.
He wants the sphere data but when the crew of Disco try to delete the sphere data it protects itself by shitting out what looks like a wall of encryption. Bet you wish you still had Airiam onboard hey? Anyway they can't delete the data and Nano wants the data so he gets devious gives Voq-boy a mission to plant a thingy near the suit to siphon off the data that Disco has decided to send to the suit instead because it's got unlimited storage. Must be new ram chips.
Anyway Michael's other mama Georgiou pops by and shuts off the thingy that is siphoning the data. Nano then realizes what's going on and beams down and then lots of kungfu fighting happens. Georgiou is good at the kungfu stuff. She's fit.
That scene was actually lots of fun to watch and was fast. Michelle Yeoh did an amazing job with the fight scene.
While all this is going on the super duper wormhole of wonder opens and sucks up the suit and mama taking them back to the future.
We're left hanging till next week and this season is exciting.
Thinking about some things.
I knew something was up when they first encountered the sphere. Seemed improbable that they would just bump into that in the middle of space and even back then I got the impression something put it int he path of Disco. It was just way too convenient that in the middle of interstellar space they'd bump into such a random object as that without some kind of assistance, and now we know it was mama B doing her time thing.
The suit does seem a bit more advanced then the era they seem to live in would suggest. Still this is Star Trek where anything can and does happen.
Control using Leland as an avatar was a path I didn't expect. So when he's talking he's just a meat puppet for the moment so I'm wondering like others too if he's dead and just a meat puppet for the A.I. or that he is in there somewhere but can't consciously present himself to everyone else because Control has locked him away and his mind can't do anything. I'm thinking he's now to far gone and can't b saved and think his brain and mind are now long gone with the nanite infestation in his body. I'm not so sure he can be saved if at all.
Three more episodes to go and I'm really getting excited to see how they wrap the season up..
I'm worried to contemplate what else we're going to hear! In addition to the tin-eared quality of it's rhythms, the dialogue has been alarmingly contemporary and fan-lingo-ish the last two weeks. When Georgiou called Culber "papi" last week... uggghhhh.
I thought of "24" for the first time watching last nights ep. Mole after mole after mole after mole after mole...
I suppose TNG had their constant malevolent alien possessions.
Another great episode (give it a 9) and performance from Sonequa Martin-Green and Sonja Sohn which was really good casting. I hope that isn't the last we see of her. I like that the episode was slower and then ramped up at the end. Loved all the character moments this week. Clarity regarding Georgiou was really nice. It is as I assumed. For all her evil and manipulative ways she does genuinely care about Michael. It might be twisted in a way and her putting Michael in the place of her own Michael but there are real feelings there and Michael to a does care about her as well.
Oh I need more Michael and Paul team ups. I really like it when they're working together. The way people were dropping when Leland-Control beamed down I thought for sure Nhan was going to get it.
Oh I need more Michael and Paul team ups. I really like it when they're working together. The way people were dropping when Leland-Control beamed down I thought for sure Nhan was going to get it.
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