Clarification: I was musing that the writers may have confused the characteristics of the two species. (Hence my aside about the House of Duras as a possible in-universe explanation). It does seem like something the Romulans would get up to, rather than the Klingons. (And possibly the Tal Shiar being onto what Section 31 is up to, recruiting the House of Duras into their counter scheme.)
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x10 - "The Red Angel"
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Clarification: I was musing that the writers may have confused the characteristics of the two species. (Hence my aside about the House of Duras as a possible in-universe explanation). It does seem like something the Romulans would get up to, rather than the Klingons. (And possibly the Tal Shiar being onto what Section 31 is up to, recruiting the House of Duras into their counter scheme.)
Is this the only time its happened? I feel like its not but I can't pinpoint another specific reference except for Chronowerx Industries.
Does First Contact count?
Who would it be in character in the current command structure to order him put in the brig, though? Certainly wouldn't be Pike or Cornwell or Leland..
Yeah, i guess there's an arguement to be made that even without the Borg showing up Cochrane's warp experiment may not have worked without an engineering team from the future on hand to make sure that it did.
The Vulcans had every right to be wary of humans during that period. They were leapfrogging centuries of technological development within a few decades, expanding vigorously into the solar system (first interstellar colony attempt only a couple of decades after WW3), sending out competing trade ships with little to no regulation and seemed hell bent to get into trouble. Not the best young ally to have at your doorstep.
Fortunately Vulcans did not believe time travel to be possible.
I've always thought that the Vulcan Science Directorate put out their Time Travel statement just to keep the Humans from even trying to investigate it.
As we all know, Denial doesn't mean that Disbelief is a factor.
(especially when Vulcans are involved)
True but T'Pol believed it too, and she wasn't really a herd thinker.I've always thought that the Vulcan Science Directorate put out their Time Travel statement just to keep the Humans from even trying to investigate it.
As we all know, Denial doesn't mean that Disbelief is a factor.
(especially when Vulcans are involved)
She was just parroting the official line.
Remember she was just a lowly member of the Vulcan Embassy on Earth, till being appointed to keep an eye on Archer and the NX-01.
(which I think was purposely done by Soval because of their fracas during the discussion about what to do with the Klingon)
She had no other experiences to actually go by till getting out into space.
I had not thought of it that way. Puts a different spin on it in some ways. Enterprise is also T'Pol's journey.
This was the best episode of the show to-date. It leveraged the overall season 2 improvements with what felt to my household like a refreshing return to “plot driven by character” rather than the other way around.
Admittedly, the last-minute twist kind of slants my viewpoint since it’s such a relatively impressive note to leave things on. But yeah.
Admittedly, the last-minute twist kind of slants my viewpoint since it’s such a relatively impressive note to leave things on. But yeah.
It being the Mom turned my thoughts from possibly good episode to "who let the fan fiction writer into the writers room?"
I think it does. i have my fan theory that Lily Sloane might have become the lead arguer towards Earth expanding fast (and armed) into space early. She knew the future was dangerous but there was a lot of promise in it as well. I actually think Lily Sloane is one of the most important keystone characters in Trek's history, at least as much as Zephram.
another potential tech incursion could have been the Vulcan that stayed behind in Carbon Creek. In television continuity it's not known what, if any influence on humanity's history.
We don't know that Burnham's parents were working outside their respective fields. They WERE Section 31 operatives; and what they told people (including their young daughter who was not cleared to know) was a cover story.
Do we also know if Starfleet and the Vulcans were made aware of the Temporal Cold War or if the Enterprise crew kept it to themselves?
I'd love it if the conflict actually got namedropped in Discovery.
Since T'Pol was placed on the NX-01 as an observer, one can assume that she probably made regular reports back to Soval and then to Star Fleet once she took a commission.
All ships captains and officers most likely make regular reports in the ships logs, which are sent back to Star Fleet HQ.
(probably automatically by the ships computer)
And that makes it "fanfic", how?
"No, I'm your [Relative]" is a old and often used plot device in professional fiction. As a twist it's better than I'm [Established Trek Character]".
Because it plays like fan fiction.
I'd rather it actually make sense within the context of the story being told up to that point. Instead of getting a one episode infodump about something that hadn't been in play up to that point. Then, SURPRISE!!!
After a season-and-a-half, these guys still don't seem to know how to set up or execute a season arc.
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