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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x10 - "The Red Angel"

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I do find it interesting that the writers made that distinction in the future vision Michael and Spock shared: that the planets were already barren of sentient life by the time they were nuked into oblivion. Why that choice? Wouldn't the nuking have done that job well enough?

I also got the impression that the Empress was actually trying to 'help' Stamets and Culber in her own off-putting way. She read the tension in the air and decided to push some buttons to address the elephant in the room. Not that she wasn't also enjoying the discomfort, since that seems to be something that gives her the jollies. Definitely not a nice person. And yet, the camera lingers on her again, silently watching the exchange between Paul and Hugh where the former rebuffs the latter. The writers are going somewhere with that, I'm sure. Presumably she's a keen observer of human behavior. She can't have gotten to the heights of power that she did without knowing how people tick.

Pippa also has been displaced from everything she knew and is trying to re-invent herself. Maybe she can offer some good advice as to how to adapt to such a big change? :shrug:
 
Laland had just finished telling Burnham he felt he bore at least some responsibility for her parents' deaths. Granted, Leland might have been blaming himself up a bit too much about that, but I don't blame Burnham for reacting to the news the way she did.

Maybe once she thinks about it she would be more forgiving of Leland's relative carelessness in not considering that the Klingons could track the crystal. However, in that moment when he told her, I find it quite plausible that she would be upset enough to punch him.

Burnham had a lifetime of guilt over feeling she was responsible for their deaths. Agreed that it was very believable she took it out on the man who just took credit for the whole situation. You know she acts before thinking.
 
No sure how that makes the show is 'dependent', however, on corridors seeming busy.

They have plenty of jobs available for the former Airiam actress, when she wasn't able to carry on due to issues with the makeup. So, no need to fire the actress.
 
A suspended smuggling sentence and counterfeiting is a far cry from being a anti-social psychopathic killer.

The problem with the Reddit repost was, that while humorous, it's supposition would have been duly noted on Mudd's record. We can plainly see it is not.

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It was noted in the TOS S1 "Mudd;s Women" computer voice readout:
from the episode:
http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/4.htm
MUDD: It can't, darling. It can't. Just what's on the record.

COMPUTER: Offense record. Smuggling. Sentence suspended. Transport of stolen goods. Purchase of space vessel with counterfeit currency. Sentences, psychiatric treatment, effectiveness disputed.

KIRK: Mister Mudd, you're charged with galaxy travel without a flight plan, without an identification beam, and failure to answer a starship's signal, thus effecting a menace to navigation.

MUDD: What? My tiny ship in this immense galaxy a menace to navigation?
 
Plus, now we know it is in fact not Michael, there's no way that the Angel should have known about what they were doing; so it working is apparently now either a complete fluke, or the entire story is a predestination paradox and events played out exactly like this anyway, and there is no 'first time through' the timeline, which is quite a different presentation to Trek's usual take on time travel.

They stated outright that the Red Angel appears to show up when Michael is in mortal danger and will die without Red Angel intervention.
 
They stated outright that the Red Angel appears to show up when Michael is in mortal danger and will die without Red Angel intervention.
Because it had to, because it was future Michael, that was the logic they used. That logic only works if it's actually Michael, so the fact that it wasn't blew a huge hole in the (already stupid) plan. The fact it still worked was basically a fluke.
 
Because it had too, because it was future Michael, that was the logic they used. That logic only works if it's actually Michael, so the fact that it wasn't blew a huge hole in the (already stupid) plan. The fact it still worked was basically a fluke.
They were half right. And yes it was a stupid plan. Weakest part of an otherwise good/great episode.
 
Because it had to, because it was future Michael, that was the logic they used. That logic only works if it's actually Michael, so the fact that it wasn't blew a huge hole in the (already stupid) plan. The fact it still worked was basically a fluke.
Well, remember the Angel appeared to young Spock and it told him where Michael was, in time for him to tell his parents and save her.

So (IMO) the 'logic problem' actually is: The Angel could have appeared to either Pike or Spock (out of the area of the trap) and either closed the hangar door herself, or basically communicated a message that said, "Hey, SAVE MICHEAL NOW!...Close the Hangar!" again outside of the generators and 'trap' they set up...

But for reason related to 'plot', this time decided to enter the trap.
 
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Well, remember the Angel appeared to young Spock and it told him where Michael was, in time for him to tell his parents and save her.

So (IMO) the 'logic problem' actually is: The Angel could have appeared to either Pike or Spock (out of the area of the trap) and either closed the hangar door herself, or basically communicated a message that said, "Hey, SAVE MICHEAL NOW!...Close the Hangar!" again outside of the generators and 'trap' they set up...

But for reason related to 'plot', this time decided to enter the trap.

Like much of Star Trek, don't look too closely or it kills the illusion/story. :eek:
 
Before the Red Angel showed up and was revealed to be Mama Burnham, watching everybody trying to figure out how to trap the RA (when it was thought it was Michael) I was disappointed they didn't try the old Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure's Ted's Dad's lost keys trick. If future Michael is indeed past Michael's future, then future Michael knows that Discovery is looking for her. Therefore, all past Michael has to do is come up with a meeting place where her future self can meet up with Discovery, state that when she becomes future Red Angel she'll meet them there, take Discovery there, then RA Michael would be there!
 
Like much of Star Trek, don't look too closely or it kills the illusion/story. :eek:
Yeah, my favorite is TOS S2 - "The Doomsday Machine" in that, you mean to tell me a Photon Torpedo (which they never EVEN attempt to use in the episode once) warhead (which is supposedly Antimatter-based) can't be set to deliver an explosion equal to 97.835 megatons (or larger) - and fired directly into the Doomsday Machines maw from a distance?...

No Kirk has to pilot the damaged Constellation into it as the ONLY way...:wtf::shrug::rofl:
 
Before the Red Angel showed up and was revealed to be Mama Burnham, watching everybody trying to figure out how to trap the RA (when it was thought it was Michael) I was disappointed they didn't try the old Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure's Ted's Dad's lost keys trick. If future Michael is indeed past Michael's future, then future Michael knows that Discovery is looking for her. Therefore, all past Michael has to do is come up with a meeting place where her future self can meet up with Discovery, state that when she becomes future Red Angel she'll meet them there, take Discovery there, then RA Michael would be there!
That indeed would have been a much more logical plan.
 
Yeah, my favorite is TOS S2 - "The Doomsday Machine" in that, you mean to tell me a Photon Torpedo (which they never EVEN attempt to use in the episode once) warhead (which is supposedly Antimatter-based) can't be set to deliver an explosion equal to 97.835 megatons (or larger) - and fired directly into the Doomsday Machines maw from a distance?...

No Kirk has to pilot the damaged Constellation into it as the ONLY way...:wtf::shrug::rofl:

Its easy to imagine that Spock did the math and that the antimatter in the Constellation's warp core was the amount required to do the job and that the measly amount of antimatter in their photon torpedoes weren't going to be sufficient to do the job required.
 
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