Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x10 - "The Red Angel"

[dahj]

Now every time I see Spock look into his scope on TOS I'll fear something is gonna stab his eyes out.

Thanks Discovery!

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

I know what time crystals are. They have nothing to do with time travel. They're discussing the structure of the crystal, which is periodic -- repeating -- in space (as normal crystals are) as well as in time (i.e. the structure recurs at some regular interval).

Maybe the same term is used to describe two different things. Perhaps the time crystals on DSC are not the same thing as the current definition of a time crystal -- which is a crystal that moves then returns to its original alignment at its lowest energy state.

What about new Folger's Crystals?

I can't tell the difference between coffee made with Folgers crystals and coffee from the finest restaurants!

 

[Alan Roi]

Now every time I see Spock look into his scope on TOS I'll fear something is gonna stab his eyes out.

Thanks Discovery!

Well, Is There No Truth in Beauty did offer a spin on that, now didn't it?

 

[Alan Roi]

MMORPGs very much have cause and effect: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrupted_Blood_incident . As technology develops and emergent gameplay increases, it will only become moreso.

Also, I don't see anything that indicates that the Mirror Universe doesn't operate on cause and effect, and Mirror characters who enter the Prime universe likewise probably feel the Prime Universe is for their amusement as well (see how Mirror Georgiou acts).

The Mirror Universe is very much a 'merry land of messed up Oz.'

What everyone says when they go there:

"I went to the MU, and you were there and you were there and you were there, but you were all kinda crazy and sexy and sort of evil. Except Spock was the same except for that beard we all seemed to prefer him sporting."

 

[Alan Roi]

I know what time crystals are. They have nothing to do with time travel. They're discussing the structure of the crystal, which is periodic -- repeating -- in space (as normal crystals are) as well as in time (i.e. the structure recurs at some regular interval).

And like Star Trek is wont since day one, the took that starting point and ran with it.

 

[Yistaan]

The Mirror Universe is very much a 'merry land of messed up Oz.'

What everyone says when they go there:

"I went to the MU, and you were there and you were there and you were there, but you were all kinda crazy and sort of evil. Except Spock was the same except for that beard we all seemed to prefer him sporting."

For all we know such a universe exists in the real reality as well somewhere out there. While extremely, highly improbable, nothing definitively prevents it.

 

[lawman]

When you are making factual errors or errors that would be fixed by some basic research or paying attention then how is that offensive?

Responding to said advice by telling someone to take a long walk of a short pier when they points out such ignorance or denial of factual evidence is offensive, IMO.

I made no factual errors, I ignored no research, and I paid attention to the details of the episode. (Indeed, a lot of my discontent is precisely because I paid attention to the details of the episode, and applied some critical thinking to them.) My responses to your specific points make that abundantly clear.

But you went rude and condescending in your first comments to me, before I'd even had a chance to respond. You really seem to assume that someone who doesn't share your opinions must suffer from some cognitive deficiency, and you can't resist saying so. You practically come across like a Republican. I assure you, under the circumstances, "take a long walk off a short pier" was the most polite response I could offer.

Plenty of other posters are capable of a point-counterpoint exchange of views without copping an attitude about it. You should give it a try sometime. We're all here to share our mutual enjoyment of a hobby, right? Not to score points for ego gratification?

 

[Alan Roi]

Why not just do what the videogame franchise "Star Ocean" did and say that the entire universe is an MMORPG created by superior beings?

To say that fans of the game series were not happy is an understatement, to put it mildly.

The Universe: Population: none

It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of all the planets in the Universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that the population of the whole Universe is also zero, and that any people you may meet from time to time are merely the products of a deranged imagination.

 

[tomalak301]

I enjoyed the episode last night. Didn’t really care for the flirting from Georgiou to Stametts but other than that it pushed the plot forward a lot and I’m really liking this Spock. He kind of feels like Undiscovered Country/Unification Spock, which was the Spock I grew up with so maybe that’s why I’m connecting to what Peck is doing in the role.

This gets an 8 from me and so far this season is coming together nicely.

 

[Alan Roi]

I made no factual errors, I ignored no research, and I paid attention to the details of the episode. (Indeed, a lot of my discontent is precisely because I paid attention to the details of the episode, and applied some critical thinking to them.) My responses to your specific points make that abundantly clear.

But you went rude and condescending in your first comments to me, before I'd even had a chance to respond. You really seem to assume that someone who doesn't share your opinions must suffer from some cognitive deficiency, and you can't resist saying so. You practically come across like a Republican. I assure you, under the circumstances, "take a long walk off a short pier" was the most polite response I could offer.

Plenty of other posters are capable of a point-counterpoint exchange of views without copping an attitude about it. You should give it a try sometime. We're all here to share our mutual enjoyment of a hobby, right? Not to score points for ego gratification?

Tribble blood? Sorry to correct you, but ego had nothing to do with my response.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

For all we know such a universe exists in the real reality as well somewhere out there. While extremely, highly improbable, nothing definitively prevents it.

IF (big if) there are in fact an infinite number of universes, there would be one like the mirror universe..

However, if our Star Trek Heroes had a way to access other universes in a sea of infinite universes, the odds of them coming across that particular universe in which their counterparts were evil but all served together on a Mirror Enterprise or Discovery would be astronomically unlikely.

 

[fireproof78]

You practically come across like a Republican.

There is no need to bring politics into this.

 

[lawman]

Time travel, like cloaking tech, is constantly being retconned in Star Trek. We have to assume that in Balance of Power, the Enterprise is marveling at yet another new cloaking tech, not cloaking tech in general.

Constant rolling retcons are a bad way to manage a shared universe, though. (I'm a longtime comics fan; it's been a source of annoyance for years.) Even if they work for the purposes of a single story, on a long-term basis they just destabilize the setting, and thereby diminish audience investment.

(There was a time when "retcon" was a less fraught term... when it merely referred to retroactive continuity in the sense of adding new information to past events, not changing, contradicting, or undermining them. Alas, the latter definition seems to have become predominant. Writers' egos must be bigger than they used to be...)

I was thinking the same thing as I watched the episode, but I just told myself that I'm sure I could come up with some timey-wimey-wibbly-wobbly explanation...

I probably could too, with a little effort. But I shouldn't have to make that effort, because it's the writers' job to do so. (They get paid handsomely for it, unlike me, and what they come up with is canon instead of mere speculation.) A story that doesn't make sense unless the audience takes extra effort to plug its logical gaps is a badly told story.

Perhaps the time crystals on DSC are not the same thing as the current definition of a time crystal

"Perhaps"?

 

[matthunter]

Have they established exactly how this AI is going to destroy life, the universe and everything? I haven’t been clear on that.

Missiles. Lots of really big, ****-off planet-killing missiles.

They were pretty clear on that.

 

[eschaton]

I've always contended that he show already aligns with canon. There is nothing the DSC has presented story-wise or character-wise thus far that is in direct contradiction to TOS.

So I don't see a need for a reset to align it with canon.

I agree with you, but Kurtzman keeps making these statements, which - it they amount to nothing - just dig a bigger and bigger hole for him to climb out of.

 

[Jadeb]

Missiles. Lots of really big, ****-off planet-killing missiles.

They were pretty clear on that.

That's it? That's going to destroy all life in the universe??

 

[Alan Roi]

I just want to know where the red angel was for all of season 1 when Michaels ass was on the line level times and started a HUGE war.

She did not start the war. the Klingons did.

 

[cultcross]

Please do pay attention.

I've asked you before to adjust the way you speak to people who dislike the show or comment negatively. There is no need for this rude, cleverer-than-thou snark along with your posts; if you have counterpoints to make, just make them without the comments. Given that I have already cautioned you about this behaviour, I will now need to formalise it.
Infraction for trolling, comments to PM.

Please do go take a long walk off a short pier.

And please don't respond this way either - I know you were responding to a rude comment in turn, but please just hit notify.

 

[donners22]

Late to the party. A few thoughts.

- The scene between Cornwell and Culber was good. More of that, please.

- Like Tilly, I have no idea what happened with Georgiou, Culber and Stamets. That was so weird and out of place. Apparently everyone now knows she's mirror Georgiou?

- On the subject of Tilly, she is getting seriously grating now. She was goodin the first season as a contrast to the grimmer aspects of the show, but now it's a bit lighter and she's been turned up to 11. The line about the doors was a bit amusing, at least.

- As for Georgiou, I don't like that they're trying to make her all compassionate and caring about Burnham. It feels like they're trying to make her much more likeable for the S31 show, and hoping we'll forget the whole genocidal empress thing.

- As for Burnham, I think we've seen quite enough of her crying lately. I'm not at all sold on SM-G's acting, which is not helping. I'm glad she's not the RA, at least - I'm sick of the misuse of "Mary Sue" re her, but "Poochie" is feeling more apt.

- Glad to see the (apparent) end of Leland, who was just a buttmonkey and a thoroughly unconvincing high-ranking S31 officer.

Ugh. I love Discovery, but this episode did not work at all for me. It's feeling a bit like the end of the first season, where it was going so well and then just got undercut with a stupid finish. Still four episodes to go, so hopefully it'll get back on track.

 

[drt]

The mirror universe could only really work if each of our intrepid crews are visiting a different one that happens to most closely resemble the one they just left, which is maybe why Defiant doesnt look anything like the one from ENT and probably how in TOS they could be on ISS 1701 which honestly shouldnt be exactly the same as Defiant if that ship had appeared100 years previously.