Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x08 - "If Memory Serves"

[Tuskin38]

Because TOS occurred in the timeline where Michael died as a kid.

The show doesn't imply that at all.

 

[CorporalClegg]

I think it's a first. At least for Spock. Data might've said it at some point. It's definitely not in Star Trek IV.

I think he means as in "Say goodnight, Gracie."

 

[GMSkarka]

The show doesn't imply that at all.

No, it doesn’t “imply”— it *shows* you history was changed by the Angel’s intervention.

 

[Cyrus]

So the Red Angel is a human. Is it someone we know?

 

[Lord Garth]

So the Red Angel is a human. Is it someone we know?

"Yeah, I think maybe you do."
"Well, I'm going to give her a call. I don't want her to worry about you."
"You can't! That is, uhhh, nobody's home!"

 

[CorporalClegg]

So the Red Angel is a human. Is it someone we know?

We know Janeway. We know she loves fucking with the timeline.

Also, Red.

 

[KennyB]

I’m sure that “say goodbye Spock” is a reference to something that happens later but I can’t place it. Maybe Star Trek IV?

I'm just thinking George Burns.........#goodnightgracie

 

[Sparky]

No, it doesn’t “imply”— it *shows* you history was changed by the Angel’s intervention.

Still doesn't imply that the TOS timline is the one where Michael died as a kid.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Speaking of TVH, I thought some of the background noises during the Spock/Burnham scenes sounded a lot like the Cetacean Probe's groans.

 

[Mr Awe]

Airiam is in contact with Section 31 it looks like.

Airiam is under the control of whoever controls the squid probes. The crew just assumed it was someone working for S31.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Great episode.

 

[PT109]

Re: sound effects. The same sound effect from "The Cage" when Vina and the wreck survivors disappear is used when the true Vina is revealed to Burnham. It's subtle but unmistakable.

 

[Paul755]

The Vina/Pike scene (before Spock and Burnham interrupted) was easily the best part of the episode.

I liked the Cage recap but it highlights the visual differences and frustrates me. Especially the re-designed Talosians. I thought the actress playing Vina did a fine job.

What Burnham did doesn’t surprise me. But it was a nice tie into TOS by using “half breed” as the slur she used. Kirk used that a couple times to either warn Spock about something (“what little girls are made of”) or to piss him off (“paradise syndrome”).

Hated the Tyler/Stamets/Culber stuff.

I do like the more relaxed, almost cocky Saru.

The Gorgeiou stuff is fine but it’s just and endless loop of her getting over on Leyland. Would like him to get the upper hand at least once.

A solid 7/10 for me.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Re: sound effects. The same sound effect from "The Cage" when Vina and the wreck survivors disappear is used when the true Vina is revealed to Burnham. It's subtle but unmistakable.

No 60s guitar twang though. I'm totally writing those angry letters.

 

[Greg Cox]

TOS was inconsistent in that fact

There was an episode where Kirk chased the Enterprise in a shuttle.

Yep. And in "The Galileo Seven," when the shuttle gets thrown off course, Kirk initially doesn't even know what solar system they could have ended up in.

 

[Mr Awe]

Oh, don't think for a minute I'm joining the other camp. No way. In fact, this only strengthens my argument -- our argument -- that she's not a Mary Sue.

For me, it's very different. It's something else entirely. This is like when I was pissed off at Lorca last year when I realized he had a thing for Burnham even though he was her step-father in the Mirror Universe.

Not happy with Burnham saying all those horrible things to Spock at all. Amanda, if she finds out, will kick her out of the family for sure. Sarek will still talk to her, but Amanda will be pissed at him for doing it.

Waiting until this point in the series to address why Spock never talks about Burnham was the right move.

It's funny. I had the completely opposite reaction. My reaction was, oh, that was all it was about?!

Yeah, I'm sure it seemed like a big deal when they were young. But, Spock knew why she did it. She had good intentions. It fully seems like one of those things you get over when you're a bit older. I can accept that they didn't for the sake of the story. But, that was my reaction to it. It was so easily explainable as an action by a child who had good intentions. Spock even sees it for what it was.

Misguided? Yeah. But something a rational person like Spock should be able to accept later. Maybe he does eventually. I also think Amanda would have that reaction as well.

 

[Kor]

This gets a 9 from me. Well-done mid-season payoff!

Random thoughts:
Nice "Cage" intro.
SQL injection in the 23rd century?
They got Talos IV just right!
It was nice catching up with Vina.
It's just like Spock to try to mind meld with some strange entity.
Georgiou's craftiness continues.

Kor

 

[WarpFactorZ]

That was awesome! Great show. I loved the "Previously on Star Trek" scenes. Burnham's reaction to the singing plants -- the subtle smile -- echoing Spock's reaction. Georgiou's comment that in the Mirror Universe (why would she call it that?), she destroyed the Talosians and "... their stupid singing plants...". It was a lot of fun.

Question: when Spock sees the future, he is on a snowy world in a parka -- not unlike when he sees the destruction of Vulcan by Nero. Did he see this? Is the destruction of the Federation that ensures Nero's actions to do just that?

 

[DaveyNY]

Still doesn't imply that the TOS timeline is the one where Michael died as a kid.

It is kinda logical to think that though.

 

[The Rock]

What was up with the clips from The Cage at the beginning of the episode? I know they wanted to connect this episode with The Cage but that montage of clips with the funny editing was a bizarre way of doing it.