Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x08 - "If Memory Serves"
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I'm glad so many people liked this episode but the Talosians just seemed to be forced in the storyline to please the longtime fans. They are really the only ones who can "heal" Spock? That girl who played Vina can't touch Susan Oliver either. Don't mean to be negative.
What's wrong with the new Vina actress? She and Anson Mount really hit their reunion scene out of the ballpark.
Probably not, but Spock went with who he knows.
Actually, this brings up an interesting point about the anachronistic nature of TOS tech. Because Pike probably could write books - in the same way Hawking could write books. Heck, even the beeping chair seems a bit antiquated. Because, given today's tech, there's no reason to think it wouldn't be possible to come up with a much more advanced interface for him to communicate through.
At this point, I'm loving Anson Mount in the role so much that I wouldn't mind them figuring out how to work around it, honestly. Keep the Menagerie canon, but be creative and not just stop Pike's life and story there.
You know, I enjoyed Isaacs' turn in the revolving captain's chair, and thought I'd miss Lorca more, but Mount's just been incredible as Pike.
Then Saru should've dragged them to the rec deck and made them have an anbo-jitsu match. An uncontrolled fight is bad for discipline.
I think that is myth.
I think it was a mutual agreement so that she could take another job.
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Didn't do anything for me. She didn't remind me of the previous Vina much at all.
It's a good scene on a lot of levels. From Saru's point of view he really doesn't know what to do. But he's also getting command experience and the guidance from Pike that he never got from Georgiou and Lorca.
Keep in mind -- with this episode, we have confirmation that the Red Angel is fucking with the timeline.
So now we have an answer. Why does Spock never mention Burnham, and why does Amanda call him an "only child" in TOS? Because TOS occurred in the timeline where Michael died as a kid.
So now we have an answer. Why does Spock never mention Burnham, and why does Amanda call him an "only child" in TOS? Because TOS occurred in the timeline where Michael died as a kid.
I don't miss Lorca at all. In fact, I never really liked him.
And Isaacs is one of my favorite actors.
Nope.
Considering Pike was crippled relatively recently (subspace chatter for months, so 2 months?) as of the Menagerie, couldn't the beeper have been a hastily built stand-in until they made a full vocalizer?
To this point, I've been wondering if Pike's accident will be "Leland's revenge" for a few episodes now. I think they established a pre-existing relationship between the two characters for a reason.
This episode didn't change the way I view "The Cage" but if this theory is right (and done well), it'll add interesting new layers to "The Menagerie."
"Lethe" really changed the way I view "Journey to Babel" in the best way. Hope they do the same here.
EDIT: Actually, the episode has already added new layers to "The Managerie."
1) Pike acknowledging his feelings for Vina in this episode helps us imagine what he was thinking in that chair during the court-martial and why he eventually relented.
2) The episode added more emotion and motivation to Spock's drastic actions to get Pike to Talos.
This episode didn't change the way I view "The Cage" but if this theory is right (and done well), it'll add interesting new layers to "The Menagerie."
"Lethe" really changed the way I view "Journey to Babel" in the best way. Hope they do the same here.
EDIT: Actually, the episode has already added new layers to "The Managerie."
1) Pike acknowledging his feelings for Vina in this episode helps us imagine what he was thinking in that chair during the court-martial and why he eventually relented.
2) The episode added more emotion and motivation to Spock's drastic actions to get Pike to Talos.
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Or someone messed up his nervous system so completely that he could never truly convey what really happened to him or what he saw. Someone cruel enough to want him to live.
Considering how thorough Spock is, he likely reviewed the accident report completely and would have caught wind of Leland's treachery. And considering how Spock would also remember how Leland try to damage his mind a decade ago, Leland should be very, very afraid.
Spock could meld with him to find out.
LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND!
Cue Quinto-Spock style fight scene with Spock vs Leland.
Leland could be the Gus to Pike's Hector...
... could be. Except I don't think Leland will survive this season.
I think it's a first. At least for Spock. Data might've said it at some point. It's definitely not in Star Trek IV.
Oh, Leland has both feet in the coffin for sure.
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