Star Trek 4 Reportedly Shelved

[CaptainStoner]

Unfortunate, but IMO they ended with their best film. Good to leave on a high note.
The actors who quit are , of course, giant babies who have failed to see the forest for the trees. I hope they are treated poorly by the fans from here on out, and not welcome at conventions.

 

[donners22]

The actors who quit are , of course, giant babies who have failed to see the forest for the trees. I hope they are treated poorly by the fans from here on out, and not welcome at conventions.

For expecting to receive the money they were contracted to receive, and being talented enough to have options other than Trek? The monsters.

I would hope that fans were not so petty and small-minded to treat actors poorly for expecting to receive the money they deserve and were told they'd be paid.

If you want to hold that against them, be sure to boo the TOS and TNG cast whenever you see them, because they held out to make far more from the Trek films than they would anywhere else, with resulting effects on the budgets and profitability of the films.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Yeah, Paramount asked them to take a last-minute pay CUT from what they were already contracted for. They'd have been fools to accept.

 

[Smellmet]

Unfortunate, but IMO they ended with their best film. Good to leave on a high note.
The actors who quit are , of course, giant babies who have failed to see the forest for the trees. I hope they are treated poorly by the fans from here on out, and not welcome at conventions.

Bit harsh. Blame Paramount for their usual mishandling of the franchise, not the actors.

 

[Dales]

Bit harsh. Blame Paramount for their usual mishandling of the franchise, not the actors.

For some reason I blame chis pine and chris helmsworth too especially helmsworth.

 

[Smellmet]

For some reason I blame chis pine and chris helmsworth too especially helmsworth.

Why? They might have more money than you or I but it's still just their job, their career that Paramount was trying to short change. Would you accept a pay cut just to save your bosses company money?

I would absolutely love to see pine as kirk again (I couldn't give a toss about Hemsworth) but he's under no obligation to a franchise that's going to potentially damage his further career earnings by allowing Paramount to renege on their agreements.

 

[Relayer1]

i've been digging my heels in about this because i thought it was premature to call trek 4 dead. but with clarkson gone, yeah it's probably dead.

however, there's no way paramount would let the property languish for 10 or 8 or even 5 years. bumblebee didn't perform well at the box office, but there will be more transformers movies soon - whether or not they're connected to the bay films or bumblebee remains to be seen. the same is true for trek, it'll be back - what form it takes is the question.

Bumblebee actually did quite well, and possibly more importantly, followed a run of dumb but flashy movies unliked by core Transformers fans and critics with a take that most fans thought got it 'just about right'.

Just about right to the extent that they've moved on the option available to disregard what had gone before and use Bumblebee to reboot the franchise.

Some parallels to Trek there, without the initially massive box-office. There will probably be a reboot in the foreseeable future. Let's hope they get it right next time.

 

[F. King Daniel]

For some reason I blame chis pine and chris helmsworth too especially helmsworth.

If you signed and agreed to do a movie for X amount of money but then when they're finally weeks from shooting suddenly you're asked to take a pay cut, would you take it?

 

[CaptainStoner]

Bit harsh. Blame Paramount for their usual mishandling of the franchise, not the actors.

True, that was harsh. Paramount and their licencing idiocy is what led to the Kelvin Timeline in the first place, a writing straightjacket to be sure, and which still plagues the current series.

My point about the actors, given too harshly, is that they have failed to see the Long Game. It is extremely unlikely that any of them will ever have opportunity to get a culturally iconic role again, and that has value they have failed to gauge.

Sometimes you need to put in to the business, take a cut, make a sacrifice. And in so doing, put skin in the game. I am quite certain whatever their reduced salary quote was would have paid the bills and then some : ) It is hard to sympathize with people quibbling over millions.

But they chose to quit. This opportunity may never come around again for them. Sure, they'll get roles, perhaps even win an award or two. But they are essentially pulling a Denise Crosby on their careers, and I think time will prove this.

 

[Smellmet]

True, that was harsh. Paramount and their licencing idiocy is what led to the Kelvin Timeline in the first place, a writing straightjacket to be sure, and which still plagues the current series.

My point about the actors, given too harshly, is that they have failed to see the Long Game. It is extremely unlikely that any of them will ever have opportunity to get a culturally iconic role again, and that has value they have failed to gauge.

Sometimes you need to put in to the business, take a cut, make a sacrifice. And in so doing, put skin in the game. I am quite certain whatever their reduced salary quote was would have paid the bills and then some : ) It is hard to sympathize with people quibbling over millions.

But they chose to quit. This opportunity may never come around again for them. Sure, they'll get roles, perhaps even win an award or two. But they are essentially pulling a Denise Crosby on their careers, and I think time will prove this.

The money side to it is all relative. It might seem like a fortune to us but to them it's a matter of principle.

 

[Khan 2.0]

Unfortunate, but IMO they ended with their best film. Good to leave on a high note.
The actors who quit are , of course, giant babies who have failed to see the forest for the trees. I hope they are treated poorly by the fans from here on out, and not welcome at conventions.

True, that was harsh. Paramount and their licencing idiocy is what led to the Kelvin Timeline in the first place, a writing straightjacket to be sure, and which still plagues the current series.

My point about the actors, given too harshly, is that they have failed to see the Long Game. It is extremely unlikely that any of them will ever have opportunity to get a culturally iconic role again, and that has value they have failed to gauge.

Sometimes you need to put in to the business, take a cut, make a sacrifice. And in so doing, put skin in the game. I am quite certain whatever their reduced salary quote was would have paid the bills and then some : ) It is hard to sympathize with people quibbling over millions.

But they chose to quit. This opportunity may never come around again for them. Sure, they'll get roles, perhaps even win an award or two. But they are essentially pulling a Denise Crosby on their careers, and I think time will prove this.

im going to have to agree with this guy. from the outset the whole Pine/Thor pay thing has kind of left a bad taste..and has (seemingly) killed off the series! yeh ok they were promised such and such (6m?) if Beyond hit the expected numbers but it didn't do the business. it didn't deliver the goods. that's it. Paramount then wanted to make ST4 on probably around half the budget of STB (100m-ish ) so theres got to be cuts. why cant Pine (and maybe Hemsworth - but who knows what deal he had?) understand that? (im assuming Quinto had same/similar deal as Pine but was ok with the cuts?) . you often hear of actors cutting their standard fee to appear in such and such film due to various issues... the TOS cast (shatner and nimoy) were always negotiating with the studio over their fees but they never flat out cancelled one of the movies because of it . in fact they had to take cuts in order to get VI made because the budget was capped after V underperformed.

unless...this has something to do with Tarantino... i.e. Pine didn't really want to make ST4 with a tv director and the whole Kirk meets his Pops story sounds abit iffy anyway (basically the Orci Shatner ST3 with Thor instead of Old KIrk - which would be interesting I guess to see some of what was intended..)...which could mean a repeat of TNG where the 3rd movie underwhelms/underperforms leading to the 4th underwhelming again but also flat out bombs. no one gets to work with Tarantino and series flatlines. so he holds fast on his pay deal. studio dosnt budge. ST: 'Thor' collapses.. then Tarantino comes on board to direct ST4.. franchise gets that badly needed shot in the arm..ST4 makes 500m and ST5 gets greenlit with payrises for everyone #everyoneswinning

 

[Khan 2.0]

btw if anyone reads Starburst (uk magazine) in this months issue (Capt Marvel cover) the last 2 pages (Its Only a Movie) has a good article on the whole ST4 dilemma/pay cut debacle and an overview on the Kelvinverse in general

 

[F. King Daniel]

But they are essentially pulling a Denise Crosby on their careers, and I think time will prove this.

I'm pretty sure Thor and Steve Trevor are gonna be just fine without Star Trek.

 

[donners22]

It is extremely unlikely that any of them will ever have opportunity to get a culturally iconic role again, and that has value they have failed to gauge.

I don't think George Kirk is a culturally iconic role in even the most generous definition of the term, and Avengers: Infinity War made more money on its own than the three Kelvin films put together. Thor: Ragnarok made twice as much as even the most successful Trek film.

Trek may have needed Hemsworth, at least for the planned story, but he sure as hell does not need Trek.

Pine is a little less in demand, but he's doing just fine - and Wonder Woman was a lot more popular than Trek films.

The failure here lies squarely with Paramount - and, sadly, with the fact that Beyond just didn't perform well.

 

[CaptainStoner]

I don't think George Kirk is a culturally iconic role in even the most generous definition of the term, and Avengers: Infinity War made more money on its own than the three Kelvin films put together. Thor: Ragnarok made twice as much as even the most successful Trek film.

Obviously, George Kirk is not an iconic role, and I never said it was.

Chris Pine had the role of Peter Parker's voice, which I would say equals Captain Kirk, but is obviously less recognizable. His appearing in Wonder Woman is culturally meaningless unless he is in the role of Wonder Woman. These days, I wouldn't put it past Hollywood.
Zachary Quinto has yet to attain a role anywhere near the stature of Spock.
Karl Urban has done better than the others, in terms of cultural iconic roles (with his face attached to it) , but he too has not come close to another McCoy. A supporting character in Thor is certainly not iconic. Judge Dred and Eomer are fairly obviously nowhere near the stature of McCoy.

In 10-20 years, I predict we will hear regrets from those actors whose decision was to Deep-6 their Star Trek role. It is also likely that at some point, one or more of them will come crawling back.

You are of course correct about the box office numbers, no argument there.

 

[Smellmet]

Obviously, George Kirk is not an iconic role, and I never said it was.

Chris Pine had the role of Peter Parker's voice, which I would say equals Captain Kirk, but is obviously less recognizable. His appearing in Wonder Woman is culturally meaningless unless he is in the role of Wonder Woman. These days, I wouldn't put it past Hollywood.
Zachary Quinto has yet to attain a role anywhere near the stature of Spock.
Karl Urban has done better than the others, in terms of cultural iconic roles (with his face attached to it) , but he too has not come close to another McCoy. A supporting character in Thor is certainly not iconic. Judge Dred and Eomer are fairly obviously nowhere near the stature of McCoy.

In 10-20 years, I predict we will hear regrets from those actors whose decision was to Deep-6 their Star Trek role. It is also likely that at some point, one or more of them will come crawling back.

You are of course correct about the box office numbers, no argument there.

The thing is, kirk may be an iconic role in the past, but is it now? You could argue that if it was that iconic the kelvin movies would have done better at the box office, and if they had, ironically he'd probably not have quit.

 

[Khan 2.0]

The thing is, kirk may be an iconic role in the past, but is it now? You could argue that if it was that iconic the kelvin movies would have done better at the box office, and if they had, ironically he'd probably not have quit.

Kirk is still very much iconic.. but Shatner Kirk. with Pine Kirk while initially 'greatness' was sensed and anticipated in 09 (like a brosnan/craig or bale)...but that 4y delay.. and then the non event of Beyond (esp for the 50th)...and whatever went down with all the promo stuff/memorabilia.. the iconicness of Kirk just sort of all went back to ShatKirk..(did it ever leave him?) and Pine became almost like a 'Dalton' to Shatners Kirk

 

[Smellmet]

Kirk is still very much iconic.. but Shatner Kirk. with Pine Kirk while initially 'greatness' was sensed and anticipated in 09 (like a brosnan/craig or bale)...but that 4y delay.. and then the non event of Beyond (esp for the 50th)...and whatever went down with all the promo stuff/memorabilia.. the iconicness of Kirk just sort of all went back to ShatKirk..(did it ever leave him?) and Pine became almost like a 'Dalton' to Shatners Kirk

I would say he's iconic to people over 30 (at least) everyone else, not so much.

 

[PixelMagic]

If you signed and agreed to do a movie for X amount of money but then when they're finally weeks from shooting suddenly you're asked to take a pay cut, would you take it?

False equivalence. I don't have multiple lifetimes of money already in the bank. This type of comment just perpetuates the rich class boot licking in society.

 

[F. King Daniel]

False equivalence. I don't have multiple lifetimes of money already in the bank. This type of comment just perpetuates the rich class boot licking in society.

Whereas I say it condemns people who promise one amount, then try to haggle at the last minute and applies to rich and poor alike.