Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x07 - "Light and Shadows"

[DaveyNY]

Lots of action, big anomalies that threaten the ship, lots of things getting thrown at the audience. It reminds me of the star trek 2009 movie. I'm alittle confused on the grand scheme of things. We're assured that this series takes place in the prime timeline and yet people from the future are presumably altering the timeline, unless these alternations from the future are part of the past of TOS? Who knows

IMO, That chicken flew the coop when "FIRST CONTACT" and "ENTERPRISE" started fiddling with the time stream.

What we are seeing with DISCOVERY is the result of those time incursions.
Even so, I still believe that TOS played out the way we saw it, but that timeline has been slightly altered in look, like the Kelvin Universe changed with Nero's incursion.

As far as I'm concerned though, this is still for all practical purposes the Prime Timeline.
(we've really got very little else at this point to compare it to)

 

[Blamo]

So, that makes three probes that have been repurposed by an alien species. I wonder if they're going to try to tie all those together.

Please, just don't make it the Borg.

 

[mdtauk]

Good episode. Shame about the turbolift shafts.

 

[fireproof78]

What we are seeing with DISCOVERY is the result of those time incursions.
Even so, I still believe that TOS played out the way we saw it, but that timeline has been slightly altered in look, like the Kelvin Universe changed with Nero's incursion.

Perhaps that's a point that needs to be made for those who regard DSC as a prequel rather than another timeline.

It's not that the looks are not important but that things have altered slightly. But, the characters and events are more important to me than tricorders and starships.

So, that makes three probes that have been repurposed by an alien species. I wonder if they're going to try to tie all those together.

Please, just don't make it the Borg.

I like DSC but the Borg would ruin it for me.

 

[DaveyNY]

So, that makes three probes that have been repurposed by an alien species. I wonder if they're going to try to tie all those together.

Please, just don't make it the Borg.

I espoused in another post that it might be the Alien Race that found the damaged Voyager-VI probe and turned it into VGER.

I know that some folks have speculated that the BORG were involved in some way because Roddenberry once suggested it, but I never really believed it was their planet we saw in TMP.

 

[DaveyNY]

Perhaps that's a point that needs to be made for those who regard DSC as a prequel rather than another timeline.

It's not that the looks are not important but that things have altered slightly. But, the characters and events are more important to me than tricorders and starships.

I like DSC but the Borg would ruin it for me.

I still think of it as a prequel to TOS, but it's also a squeal to ENTERPRISE.

I just think of it as a really long piece of string that runs from TOS to VOY (PICARD?) with a few knots and loops in it now.
It's still the same piece of string at this point, but there's been a few places where it's doubled back on itself (ENTERPRISE) and things are slightly off kilter as the threads have frayed a bit now.

 

[TrickyDickie]

I still think of it as a prequel to TOS, but it's also a squeal to ENTERPRISE.

I just think of it as a really long piece of string that runs from TOS to VOY (PICARD?) with a few knots and loops in it now.
It's still the same piece of string at this point, but there's been a few places where it's doubled back on itself (ENTERPRISE) and things are slightly off kilter as the threads have frayed a bit now.

 

[DaveyNY]

 

[thribs]

Funny how better the Discovery crew work without Michael around. They actually get to do stuff instead of her doing it all.

I assume the time-tsunami wiped out Kelpian Prime?

BTW: Pike was adding “time” to words before it was cool. Time Warp for example, and breaking the time barrier.

 

[Saul]

Good episode. Shame about the turbolift shafts.

Agreed, looks cool but a bit ridiculous. If Discovery was larger I could buy it.

 

[DaveyNY]

Somebody in one of these threads suggested that it was an 'artistic' view of the inside of the ship, with all the floors and walls removed so as to show only the turbolifts traveling around.

That's as good as any explanation for me.

 

[Saul]

That's one way to view it. That works for me.

 

[Mr Awe]

alt.tv.startrek

I would've thought rec.arts.startrek.current!

Ah, those days! I hadn't thought that group in decades but funny how the name just comes back.

 

[Succubint]

Come on. Burnham works well with others, especially Tilly, Stamets and Saru. She's been a team player since she came aboard Discovery. We've seen Tilly, Saru, and Stamets come up with cool solutions while Burnham is around. Owo even initiated and completed the escape from the basement in New Eden.

This whole "she does everything and no-one gets to shine unless she's gone" complaint is really disingenuous and completely incorrect. Each character has different skill sets and at different times they've solved problems with those skill sets.

Could Burnham have piloted the donut manuver? No. Could Burnham navigate the Mycelial network to get the ship and crew home from the MU? No. Could Burnham save herself on the asteroid? No. Could she even save Pike free-falling to his death? Not by herself, she still needed Owo and Detmer to control the descent. Could Burnham save them all from Mudd by herself? No. Could she solve the translator problem when the Sphere caused Babel on board? No, it was Saru who helped save the day.

Could Burnham even find or save Spock by herself in this last episode? No.

Hmmm, it's almost as if the show is trying to tell us that no one person can do everything alone. Characters need to trust and depend on each other. Pike/Tyler and Stamets/Tilly stories in this very episode were cases in point.

What a strange stance for a Star Trek show to take....

 

[thribs]

Agreed, looks cool but a bit ridiculous. If Discovery was larger I could buy it.

I think I saw Anakin fighting some droids in there.

 

[Dales]

A good episode but a shame that everything is connected to Burnham, like the S31 Captain.

yes, this is becoming an issue for me. burnham being the centre of everyone's universe.

 

[Nerys Myk]

yes, this is becoming an issue for me. burnham being the centre of everyone's universe.

She's the main character. It comes with the job.

 

[Mr Awe]

She's the main character. It comes with the job.

I have to admit, I have not had a problem with Burnham being the focus. However, in this episode, when Leland was revealed to be allegedly responsible for the death of Burnham parents, I thought, "Now come on! That's pushing it a bit too far!"

 

[Lord Garth]

I have to admit, I have not had a problem with Burnham being the focus. However, in this episode, when Leland was revealed to be allegedly responsible for the death of Burnham parents, I thought, "Now come on! That's pushing it a bit too far!"

Yeah. That is pushing it a bit. I hope it's indirectly. Like he's indirectly responsible for the Klingon Attack -- for whatever chess piece maneuvering reasons he or his superiors at the time were trying to accomplish -- and Burnham's parents just happened to be in the crossfire. So he's responsible but it's not like he singled her family out.

 

[USS Fardell]

Light and Shadows
The seventh episode of season 7. While Burnham goes looking for Spock, Discovery investigates a temporal anomaly near Kaminar. Following up on her promise to look for Spock, Burnham asks for leave to search for Spock. But more on that later. The anomaly plot line is more than just investigation of the anomaly, although that was very well presented. The effects of the time loop occurrences reminded me of similar effects in We'll Always Have Paris. But there is also the interpersonal developments, between Pike and Tyler.
The situation with them being caught in the shuttle with the anomaly allows them to overcome their trust issues. This is portrayed very well. As are the scenes when the shuttle is attacked by the upgraded probe. Tilly and Stammets cooperating in looking for a way to find Pike and Tyler in the anomaly was done well also. The scenario with the probe is interesting, especially given that was cracking Discovery's computer (and Airiam)... That latter occurrence is certainly set up for something down the line.
Then there is the storyline with Burnham and Spock (also Amanda and Sarek). The depiction of Vulcan is consistent with the earlier episodes. (Of course there would be rain!) In any case, the flashbacks do an excellent job at establishing the link that Spock and Burnham had established as children. Amanda is further developed. That she would hide Spock in a temple (where Katras would hide his telepathic signature) is believable. Not so certain about Sarek though. Why would he turn his son over to Section 31?
Talking about that covert agency? Rather interesting that Leyland would lie to Burnham about helping Spock. (Right... A mind sifter, wouldn't a tool one would use to heal whatever altered state Spock is in.) More interesting is Mirror Georgiou, is it the Defiant knowledge that is motivating her to help Burnham rescue Spock? Or is it something else. Certainly the scene in which she and Burnham fight was well choreographed. Then there is the revelation about what Spock's numbers mean.
The coordinates for Talos IV. I look forward to the next episode. 8.5/10.