Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x07 - "Light and Shadows"

[Nate]

Good golly when those coordinates were confirmed I was gabberflasted (and had to explain things to my less rabidly Trekkie husband WTF it all meant). I need to go rewatch the Cage and the Menagerie.

I did the same thing with my wife, Discovery is the first Trek show she's watched so she had no idea what Talos IV meant.

Now I need to decide whether to get her to watch The Cage or both parts of The Menagerie. I'm only going to convince her to watch one.

 

[Lord Garth]

Now I need to decide whether to get her to watch The Cage or both parts of The Menagerie. I'm only going to convince her to watch one.

"The Cage". Don't show her how it all ends for Pike.

 

[Nyotarules]

I did the same thing with my wife, Discovery is the first Trek show she's watched so she had no idea what Talos IV meant.

Now I need to decide whether to get her to watch The Cage or both parts of The Menagerie. I'm only going to convince her to watch one.

Since Discovery is her first Trek show she will be fine, after all did she watch DS9 to understand the significance of Section 31? Or Journey to Babel where Amanda and Sarek first appear in the franchise? Actually watching the above might leave her confused.

 

[Gonzo]

Just watched it and thought it was great and gets an 8 from me.

Anson Mount continues to do solid work and help to anchor the show.

Who should Burnham trust, Leland, Georgiou or neither of them, Georgiou could be sowing the seeds of distrust or she may know a lot more about what's to come than she is letting on.

No doubt the death of Burnham's parents is going to come back to bite Leland sooner or later.

We may be seeing the seeds of S31's fall for official grace, too early to tell however and the upcoming show focusing on Georgiou and S31 sort of indicates otherwise, perhaps due to upcoming events S31 realises that they are too visible and decide to go truly underground, will be interesting to see who Control is when the time comes.

Someone is most definitely manipulating events, we already suspected that from the Red Angels but if this is Temporal Cold War related we haven't seen all the players involved yet, such as who modified the probe and compromised Airiam, if they are from the future what would they need with the Discovery's database full of old news unless they are looking for someone (Spock perhaps).

Off to Talos IV we go.

Will read through thread later.

 

[gottacook]

Basically good art comes with limitations. Earlier Trek could not really have that much in the way of high-octane action or crazy visuals due to both technological limitations and budgetary constraints. ... A lot of the best character work in Trek happened as a result.

With the incredibly high budgets, modern VFX, and more 'fancy" direction, Discovery doesn't have the same limitations. ... it also means that a lot less of the "connective tissue" of dialogue is needed in the average Discovery episode.

That's very astute. It's much more difficult to get somewhere creatively when you have no limitations. Writing counterpoint in grad school (in the style of Bach fugues and their elements) was how I learned about the value of working within restrictions.

Discovery has (putatively) the inherent limitations of working within the post-"The Cage"/pre-"Where No Man Has Gone Before" universe. But the writers and producers cannot restrain themselves from breaking those limitations, just as with Enterprise. I don't really care why this is the case; I just find the results unsatisfying.

 

[Nyotarules]

We may be seeing the seeds of S31's fall for official grace, too early to tell however and the upcoming show focusing on Georgiou and S31 sort of indicates otherwise, perhaps due to upcoming events S31 realises that they are too visible and decide to go truly underground, will be interesting to see who Control is when the time comes.

As long as its not a dodgy Earth computer gone rogue (yeah I enjoyed the book but I pretended it wasn't a Star Trek novel lol)

 

[oberth]

"The Cage". Don't show her how it all ends for Pike.

only possible choice or he'll lose her to desperate housewives again

 

[Ricky]

Turns out - Spock is that one stud you once hooked up while high, and now he's constantly returning to your doorsteps as if he lives there, brings all his friends with him all the time, and is always asking you for favours.

One psycho stud? I got a plague of them.

 

[XCV330]

As long as its not a dodgy Earth computer gone rogue (yeah I enjoyed the book but I pretended it wasn't a Star Trek novel lol)

A VERY old Balthazar Edison perhaps?

 

[Doc Mugatu]

"Light and Shadows" (S2E7) dropped a point from last week's episode rating to a "7." I also now worry that this season maybe too complicated for it's own good whereby it could collapse under it's own weight. Overall it was a solid episode however it was also yet more teaser than anything else.

So is the Red Angel the Borg Queen? Has Keyla Detmer been Borgified? Is it the 13th Doctor?

I keep wanting to see these new Star Trek's break their slave chains to the past yet they keep going there. Cautiously curious to see how this trip to Talos IV does not upset the applecart of continuity for The Cage or The Menagerie? Is this season going to end with a BIG reset?

I have to admit I am also not too excited about this timey-wimey bit either. I will also confess I don't care to see Mr. Spock this way.

Now that we are the halfway point these episodes need to start resolving things and sharply cutback on raising more questions.

 

[Nyotarules]

RANT
Pike deserves a better fate than he got in The Cage just because the 1960's production changed actors or something
RANT OVER

 

[Lord Garth]

RANT
Pike deserves a better fate than he got in The Cage just because the 1960's production changed actors or something
RANT OVER

You know, I've been thinking. With Talosian technology, they could give Pike a better "body" than he had.

 

[Nyotarules]

I keep wanting to see these new Star Trek's break their slave chains to the past yet they keep going there.

Its a Star Trek tradition
TNG - The Naked Now
DS9 - The tribbles episodes
ENT - The Mirror universe episodes
VOY - ???

But I agree with you, break every chain, do your own thing Discovery!

 

[Jadeb]

RANT
Pike deserves a better fate than he got in The Cage just because the 1960's production changed actors or something
RANT OVER

I really like Mount's PIke, but I hope they don't try to change his fate. Discovery needs more consequence, not less.

 

[Gonzo]

RANT
Pike deserves a better fate than he got in The Cage just because the 1960's production changed actors or something
RANT OVER

We already know what happens to him so they don't really have to cover it again at all.

 

[XCV330]

Its a Star Trek tradition
TNG - The Naked Now
DS9 - The tribbles episodes
ENT - The Mirror universe episodes
VOY - ???

But I agree with you, break every chain, do your own thing Discovery!

VOY: Flashback

Discovery is a little different because it's almost playing in the same field as TOS so its going to weave with it a bit here and there.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

RANT
Pike deserves a better fate than he got in The Cage just because the 1960's production changed actors or something
RANT OVER

 

[Tuskin38]

I did not like the episode. It was a mess. And the trope, whose name eludes me, which was demonstrated by Spock should be taken out back, shot, and buried. Many writers in entertainment do not have an understanding of people with issues related to brain functions and of the relationships and connections these people have with the real world. It is painful to watch them stumbling in the dark.

I'm not sure what you're upset about.

 

[eschaton]

I really like Mount's PIke, but I hope they don't try to change his fate. Discovery needs more consequence, not less.

What if we ultimately discover it was a Section 31 assassination plot?

Or even worse, that in order to restore the timeline, Pike had to be injured, meaning Burnham had to travel into the near future and trigger the "accident?"

 

[MvRojo]

Interesting to note that the writer's completely ditched the 'ward' angle of Michael that we saw in S1 and it's just full on brother and sister, mother and father now.

I dont remember all it's usage but it seems like they used "ward" when talking to people outside the family.