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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x06 - "The Sound of Thunder"
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An alien refugee one day becoming the President of the UFP would be a pretty instpiring (and IMO much needed right now) story to tell. In the meantime, I'll settle for him earning the big chair for at least a season before the series closes.
I'm actually not in the "Saru for Captain" camp, myself. The level of interest in / popularity of a character doesn't necessarily make them Captain material. I don't think I'd like him as Capain. I'd prefer both he and Burnham continue in the roles they are in, and either Pike stays on or they do a rotating Captain game. It's part of what has given the show it's unique flavor thus far.
And I've never ever been an advocate for an alien as captain.
BTW - am I the only person who saw the parallel to this? https://web1.nbed.nb.ca/sites/ASD-S... of Thunder with questions --Ray Bradbury.pdf
Disco wastes nothing, not a second of sound, nor a color, nor an inch of frame. And the titles are all meaningful. I think this title has a huge meaning.
Disco wastes nothing, not a second of sound, nor a color, nor an inch of frame. And the titles are all meaningful. I think this title has a huge meaning.
I stand corrected. I think the shape of the standing stations nearby threw me. It took me watching this twice to realise what I was seeing.
I hear they're a little oily.
Well, I saw the movie, which was loosely based on it, for the first time shortly before seeing this episode of similar title and mentioned it. I think others have mentioned the movie, but maybe not specifically the short story.
Incidentally, does that site have permission to make Bradbury's copyrighted short story available for downloading in its entirety like that? There's no accompanying statement of any kind.
Also, Saru’s anger was largely related to his people suffering under the lie of the Great Balance, now since that’s been resolved I wouldn’t be surprised if he mellowed out a bit.
Since it's for educational purposes, the sight might (might) be okay.
Yes, Saru is popular, but for good reason. He's been the kind of character people can relate to and root for because of his self-doubt over his leadership ability, and yet his empathic nature towards others.
Saru has handled himself well in the Captain's chair at least twice.
Once in coordinating the mission with Burnham in the Mirror Universe in overcoming Lorca's coup plan. He boosted the crew's morale with that rousing speech about Discovery's maiden voyage and not accepting no-win solutions.
And he also acted decisively as a leader in 'New Eden' when they were facing an unexpected planetwide impeding catastrophe. He decided not to fail those people on his watch and the crew agreed.
Both times he was successful and demonstrated good judgment and leadership.
He may not be a Kirk ,or Pike, or Picard yet, but don't forget that we never saw them grow as first officers or as green captains. All are first presented to us as seasoned commanders in their prime. (Not counting the Cage which does show Pike at a low point initially).
So, while I agree he's not ready for a permanent promotion yet, I'd argue he's well on his way to proving his worthiness on the command track. If the only reason we can't have an alien Starfleet captain on DSC at some point is because we didn't see one on TOS, I'm gonna be pretty pissed.
Saru has handled himself well in the Captain's chair at least twice.
Once in coordinating the mission with Burnham in the Mirror Universe in overcoming Lorca's coup plan. He boosted the crew's morale with that rousing speech about Discovery's maiden voyage and not accepting no-win solutions.
And he also acted decisively as a leader in 'New Eden' when they were facing an unexpected planetwide impeding catastrophe. He decided not to fail those people on his watch and the crew agreed.
Both times he was successful and demonstrated good judgment and leadership.
He may not be a Kirk ,or Pike, or Picard yet, but don't forget that we never saw them grow as first officers or as green captains. All are first presented to us as seasoned commanders in their prime. (Not counting the Cage which does show Pike at a low point initially).
So, while I agree he's not ready for a permanent promotion yet, I'd argue he's well on his way to proving his worthiness on the command track. If the only reason we can't have an alien Starfleet captain on DSC at some point is because we didn't see one on TOS, I'm gonna be pretty pissed.
I am starting to get Grant Ward vibes from Tyler.
Only now?
Tyler is kind of a weird character right now. He's been through hell, he's done the turns evil due to actually being a Klingon plant thing already. But it wasn't actually Ash. There's the kicker. Ash is now dominant, and was a real Starfleet officer, with real aspirations and principles but now he's caught in this limbo. He's Ash with all the memories of Voq. He's torn apart in so many ways. And yet he's apparently still functioning.
So, where to go from here as a character. He's got a job, a role, as S31 liaison. But he's also got a ton of baggage to sort through. He's not fully welcome as a Klingon or as a Starfleet officer due to his past actions. If I were a writer, I'd use him as a foil for Pike (who has issues with secret ops stuff, understandably) and Culber (whom he unwittingly murdered, and who has a similar predicament right now.) Both of them are probably suffering from some kind of imposter syndrome.
There's potential here, but it's on shaky ground. Let's see how they handle the next ep where it looks like at least one of the situations I described above might be touched upon.
So, where to go from here as a character. He's got a job, a role, as S31 liaison. But he's also got a ton of baggage to sort through. He's not fully welcome as a Klingon or as a Starfleet officer due to his past actions. If I were a writer, I'd use him as a foil for Pike (who has issues with secret ops stuff, understandably) and Culber (whom he unwittingly murdered, and who has a similar predicament right now.) Both of them are probably suffering from some kind of imposter syndrome.
There's potential here, but it's on shaky ground. Let's see how they handle the next ep where it looks like at least one of the situations I described above might be touched upon.
if i were a writer i'd find a nice backwater planet and have him debriefed there about the klingons for the next 37 years which of course means if at all we'd see that dude in an ash two parter in season 5
Probably will remain so until the end of the season. Fuller was listed as executive producer for all of the first season. Even back in TNG, Roddenberry remained credited for all of the fifth season despite no longer having an active role and passed away in the middle of the season.
Fuller and Roddenberry were creators of the shows, so had to be respected in that regards, these guys are not. Since it is a season long story arc, they could stay listed either as executive producer or executive consultant. But I expect they will lose the exec producer credit at some point this season, and be replaced by James Duff who came over to help Kurtzman before going to the Picard series.
Pike's not staying on, nor should he.
And there's no reason the rotating captain game (which I agree is fun) can't also include both Captain Saru and Captain Burnham, (as long as the show lasts long enough for them to get there naturally). When the Harry Potter books finally made Snape DADA instructor it didn't magically undo the tradition of there being a new DADA instructor every year just because Snape was a long standing character who'd been after the job from the beginning.
As for aliens as captain, I've never seen any convincing reason why we necessarily shouldn't have them. Certainly in this case, Saru is already one of the most complex characters on the show and could easily rival Kirk/Picard/Sisko for depth if given enough time. And Doug Jones is consistently praised as giving the most relatable and well acted performances on the show despite his make-up. And the DSC captain is not really even the central character of the show, anyway, so why should it as a position automatically be required to be only allow people who meet similar standards as previous captains in the first place?
If I'm honest, I wish they'd left Tyler and L'Rell in season 1. They're out of place in this story, and Discovery was doing really well at having characters that were story relevant. If we really must have section 31 in the story, and so far I can't see why we must as they haven't contributed, their liaison should be a new character, imho, with some mystery attached (they are meant to be a secret black ops unit after all). We just know too much about Tyler for him to fit the bill. It all feels a bit too much like the old TV thing of keeping around a character past their sell by date because they or the actor is popular.
Ray Bradbury Theatre did a 22 minute long rendition of "The Sound of Thunder" in the mid 1980s that can be found on Youtube.
Sloan was creepy and menacing. Harris was mysterious and never seen in person except at nighttime. Ash Tyler is...well, Ash Tyler. He feels like he belongs in Section 31 as much as a Kelpien does at a Mirror Universe all-you-can-eat buffet.
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