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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x06 - "The Sound of Thunder"

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Did my best to up the detail a bit. Looks like there is no half circle saucer, that's just another asteroid behind the exhaust trail. I can't see a ship at all, it's too faded/blended into the other elements like Tilly's uniform.
What I did find interesting, however, is the fiery planet that appears to be breaking into pieces.

Agreed. Also, might this be a higher resolution version? Definitely just fiery space matter blending with Tilly's uniform.
 
Agreed. Also, might this be a higher resolution version? Definitely just fiery space matter blending with Tilly's uniform.

Now it looks like among the asteroids there's a big-eared Vulcan with dark sunglasses....or maybe an eye patch. :D

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Did my best to up the detail a bit. Looks like there is no half circle saucer, that's just another asteroid behind the exhaust trail. I can't see a ship at all, it's too faded/blended into the other elements like Tilly's uniform.

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What I did find interesting, however, is the fiery planet that appears to be breaking into pieces.
ok I realize that is just a bit of rock lit up and not an U.E. Intrepid type hull with a mono-nacelle, but suggestions make shadows look like loch ness monsters, and I couldn't get that design out of my head.

I apologize for the crudity of this model, but I had to see what it might look like.

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Section 31 and Starfleet can't Time Travel.

What they can do is hunt down time travelers/Observers and take their gear, or conscript these future people into the current day war, or argue for a temporary truce because of aligned objectives.

They have a psych profile and biological profile on Daniels from Enterprise. It shouldn't be hard to find more "people" like Captain Daniels hiding in Starfleet's ranks.

I'd also look inside computer networks for back doors, retro viruses, weird coding language, and spotting the use of passwords in places the owners of those passwords would never use those passwords, that the future is using to control or monitor the past.

Here's the problem.

Current day Section 31 does not trust even future Section 31 or past Section 31 to use time travel responsibly, because altering time is destroying time (sometimes). You could dissolve from a paradox at any moment because you from 10 days ago is irresponsibly fiddling with time technology. If you can't trust yourself from 10 days ago not to burn the galaxy down, how can you trust some other asshole you never met upholding the cut throat policies of section 31, 4 centuries from now, to safeguard the web of time, and your present day Federation's place in it?

The Department of Temporal investigations finds offensive time tech and puts it in a vault. Section 31 should be treated like an alcoholic in a brewery by even and especially itself. Zero tolerance.
 
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Section 31 and Starfleet can't Time Travel.

What they can do is hunt down time travelers/Observers and take their gear, or conscript these future people into the current day war, or argue for a temporary truce because of aligned objectives.

They have a psych profile and biological profile on Daniels from Enterprise. It shouldn't be hard to find more "people" like Captain Daniels hiding in Starfleet's ranks.

I'd also look inside computer networks for back doors, retro viruses, weird coding language, and spotting the use of passwords in places the owners of those passwords would never use those passwords, that the future is using to control or monitor the past.

Here's the problem.

Current day Section 31 does no trust even future Section 31 or past Section 31 to use time travel responsibly, because altering time is destroying time (sometimes). You could dissolve for a paradox at any moment because you from 10 days ago is irresponsibly fiddling with time technology. If you can't trust yourself from 10 days ago not to burn the galaxy down, how can you trust some other asshole you never met upholding the cut throat policies of section 31, 4 centuries from now, to safe guard the web of time, and your present day Federation's place in it?

The Department of Temporal investigations finds offensive time tech and puts it in a vault. Section 31 should be treated like an alcoholic in a brewery by even and especially itself. Zero tolerance.
who's captain daniels? crewman (third class) daniels of nx-01 enterprise and never explained future rank? - the captain of the 'temporal corps' (or whatever it will be named then was captain daniel simpson day :devil: ... and we all know his whereabouts are unknown
 
ok I realize that is just a bit of rock lit up and not an U.E. Intrepid type hull with a mono-nacelle, but suggestions make shadows look like loch ness monsters, and I couldn't get that design out of my head.

I apologize for the crudity of this model, but I had to see what it might look like.

VtqHtth.jpg

keH6wHC.jpg

E9yBq6l.jpg

Bonus points for using the UESPA arrowhead on the nacelle pylon. :)
 
Did anyone else notice that Saru, once ordered off the bridge, leaves via a side door but when inside the lift, the camera cuts showing the window behind him meaning he's in the rear lift?
 
Well behind the times but a 7/10 for me.

Mostly good but what happened to the fleet of 10 ships when Discovery started attacking the sea base.

Why didn't the Ba'ul just kill Saru and sister? The drones weren't up to much but they could have just beamed into space or the bottom of the sea if they really couldn't contain 2 Kelpians.

Pike went way beyond stretching the rules this felt very much like something Kirk would have done and I liked that.

Is Saru going to continue to try and out a the Captain?

What affect will this have on their society, how will it affect the children? I presume we will never know.
 
Mostly good but what happened to the fleet of 10 ships when Discovery started attacking the sea base. [..] Why didn't the Ba'ul just kill Saru and sister? The drones weren't up to much but they could have just beamed into space or the bottom of the sea if they really couldn't contain 2 Kelpians.

We don't really know what the Ba'ul intended to do with their charged-up pylons. Pike, coming from a race of savages, thinks they are going to kill all the Kelpiens with those. But if this is not the Ba'ul goal, then a militant response to the continuing presence of the Discovery would also be unlikely.

The Red Angel intervened before the Ba'ul intentions could be revealed. But the failure to kill Saru and Siranna suggests at the very least that the intentions weren't necessarily immediately homicidal.

Those flying drones of theirs, with the spinning blades... The Ba'ul said "You will undergo analysis and be neutralized". We saw no analysis, so perhaps even that part was still to come, and the blades had something to do with that? The neutralizing, whatever that meant, would come later.

Timo Saloniemi
 
We don't really know what the Ba'ul intended to do with their charged-up pylons. Pike, coming from a race of savages, thinks they are going to kill all the Kelpiens with those. But if this is not the Ba'ul goal, then a militant response to the continuing presence of the Discovery would also be unlikely.

The Red Angel intervened before the Ba'ul intentions could be revealed. But the failure to kill Saru and Siranna suggests at the very least that the intentions weren't necessarily immediately homicidal.

Those flying drones of theirs, with the spinning blades... The Ba'ul said "You will undergo analysis and be neutralized". We saw no analysis, so perhaps even that part was still to come, and the blades had something to do with that? The neutralizing, whatever that meant, would come later.

Timo Saloniemi

It's clear the Ba'ul don't want to just wipe out the Kelpiens but I am not sure how survivable a buzz saw to the face would be. So I think the neutralizing would be fatal.

I would like to know more these species, their history and how it plays out now.
 
Ok, so I'm back from vacation and finally got a chance to watch this one. So, recognizing I'm super-late to the party and nobody probably gives a shit at this point, here's what I've got on "Sound of Thunder"

LIKED:
  • Everything about the Ba'ul. The voice, the reveal, the tech, the design, the ships...everything. Trek has come a far way from forehead of the week. This was masterful stuff. Loved it. Bravo!
  • The look of the episode. When DSC does planet-side episodes, it really does them right. Loved the warp drive shot over the Discovery's port nacelle. The look of the Ba'ul ships approaching on screen. Unbelievably cinematic.
  • I liked that the orb data featured in helping solve the issue in this episode. I just hope it doesn't become a go-to solution every week.
  • Doug Jones and SMG were awesome. The scene where Saru and Burnham find his sister in the garden was classic Star Trek
  • This episode made perfect sense in tying some of the things that were wonky about the Short Treks episode together. I liked the history of Kaminar and the associated twist. Great stuff.
  • I think people criticizing this show for "not being thoughtful Trek" are missing a lot. Maybe people are used to the old style where the message and theme are neatly and obviously spelled out in a patronizing speech of some sort, but I've noted that there is a LOT going on in this show, and it seems to have a lot to say. It's just conveyed more realistic and between-the-lines than previous installments have been. It's much, much smarter than people are giving credit for.
  • Pike continues to impress
  • The direction they seem to be taking Culber in is good
  • This was another very linear, straightforward Story that didn't try to cram too much into 50 mins
COULD USE IMPROVEMENT:
  • While I detest the static and grossly outdated camerawork used in most of the Berman-era shows, the display of kinetic/ artistic cinematography in certain places here almost made me vomit.
  • Pike let Saru be a dick for waaaaay too long. This was a very tense, sensitive, and unknown situation. No way it was appropriate for him to hijack that comms discussion, and even worse that Pike let it go.
  • Tyler was one of my favorite characters last season, and I loved Shazad Latif's work. But, here, it seems like the staff has just included him because of only that, rather than because of him having an organic reason to be there. It's like they just said, "well, we can add some extra drama and tension if Tyler and Pike disagree on everything and don't trust each other" It's not working right now,so I hope there's bigger plan
  • The idea that the Red Angel is / might be some random (?) person wearing a super-suit made my heart sink into my shoes. Dear God, please no. I mean it. No. Don't do this.
  • Hitting the instant-puberty button on the Kelpians seemed extraordinarily cavalier and knee-jerky. Like, "Kirk blowing up Vaal" levels of irresponsibility. It just didn't feel like it was well-considered enough to be a realistic solution to a very complex problem and long-standing planetary history.
So, here's the thing: this episode was wildly entertaining and a joy to watch, but it had some flaws and/or things that just didn't mesh well with my tastes or hopes. I'd give it a 6, but it was just too damn fun to be that hard on it. I'll give it a 7, acknowledging that it was good television and very good Trek, but just personally let me down a bit. I'm looking forward to seeing where it all goes!
 
Ok, so I'm back from vacation and finally got a chance to watch this one. So, recognizing I'm super-late to the party and nobody probably gives a shit at this point,

that was the point where i decided to skip last week's threat :D
 
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