Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x06 - "The Sound of Thunder"
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Well, the whole beaming-through-shields issue is quite an argued muddle according to what I've been reading in various places. So, I will let it go and just say that there should be a new mime team:
Shields and Yarnek
Shields and Yarnek
Fantastic episode!! That was true Star Trek! There was some great world building with Saru's species and the Bahul. Some nice exploration of issues and a great resolution with the Kelpians being saved and beginning their transformation. Also great to learn more about the Red Angel.
One possible plot hole: how can Discovery communicate and send information to Saru when they are not able to locate him on sensors? After all, if Discovery's communication system and Saru's communication have linked up in order to transmit information back and forth, doesn't that require or imply a location?
One possible plot hole: how can Discovery communicate and send information to Saru when they are not able to locate him on sensors? After all, if Discovery's communication system and Saru's communication have linked up in order to transmit information back and forth, doesn't that require or imply a location?
Remember that Saru hailed Discovery through the Ba'ul transmission system. We don't know how signals are redirected through it.
I forgot to say that I'm really glad I was proven wrong on my prediction that they'd never mention the sphere's data dump again. Although, in hindsight, I don't really think it was necessary for Burnham, Tilly and Airiam 2.0 to learn about the Ba'ul's story at the same time as Saru on the planet practically figured out the same thing.
Loved Tilly's “slice of galaxy pie” quip, though.
Loved Tilly's “slice of galaxy pie” quip, though.
My interpretation was that the writers trusted us to know the rules and could interpret the rest of what was going on at the time that in Runaway the Queen was being transported to a nearby planet or starbase (as she had hitched a rid on an extremely short range craft like a workerbee) and that Number One was likewise transporting from a ship or planet or space station nearby. When they explicitly transport someone light years, then I too agree that's a problem if they do so without reasonable explanation.
Since Saru was using a Ba'ul device, which likely only had access to the ba'ul networks it would get to them via a Ba'ul transmitter that might be anywhere on the planet and as much as halfway around the world from his actual position.
Right. That makes sense.
I think it's pretty clear that it's the Ba'ul who are naturally cowardly and weak and the Kelpians are the scary predatorsFor me, this was between 8 and 9, and I rounded it to a solid 9. I found this to be the most entertaining episode of the season so far.
The telling from Saru's perspective was an interesting change this time around. The Kelpians turned out to be a more intriguing species than I expected when the show first started. I appreciated the reconnection between Saru and Siranna and the reestablishment of their relationship over the course of the episode. I thought the pacing was pretty good for the most part, and I really, really liked the conspicuous lack of nonsensical technobabble baloney. The literary reference at the end was a classic touch, as well.
I did keep wondering when the Ba'ul would come try to attack Saru and Siranna after Saru destroyed their little drones. Maybe they were so self-confident that they just assumed the drones had done their job and didn't bother to check up on them.
So sure, there are some weak points and holes in the story... but that's true of the very best of Trek. So you know what? I really don't care.
Kor
Gary could have been saved by the power of love...or something. Though I guess Kelso would still be dead. Unless Gary revived him with the last of his Godlike powers.*I'm sorry, before I can do that I will need to reconfigure the auxiliary sub-routines with verterium cortenide in order to reverse the flow of chroniton particles. I have very little, but these radio tubes and this block of wood should suffice in recreating a transdimentional portal to the mirror universe where I can change several past events, which should seamlessly flow into this one.
Seriously? I just said it's Star Trek. These people have traveled through space, outside of time, outside of our universe, the show outright uses magic, just with blinking lights and technical terms.
* I read too many comic books.
Doug Jones is so tall, especially in his Saru boots, the other Kelpiens looked kind of short compared to him when I watched "The Brightest Star." I didn't realize how tall Siranna was until I saw her standing next to Burnham.
I saw someone else mention this already, but as I watched the episode, I knew some viewers were bound to be irked by the show referring to evolution in essentially the same way that Pokemon does. What they call evolving just seems like it's supposed to be a normal part of the Kelpien life cycle. A tadpole doesn't "evolve" into a frog.
But that nitpick aside, I enjoyed the episode very much.
I saw someone else mention this already, but as I watched the episode, I knew some viewers were bound to be irked by the show referring to evolution in essentially the same way that Pokemon does. What they call evolving just seems like it's supposed to be a normal part of the Kelpien life cycle. A tadpole doesn't "evolve" into a frog.
But that nitpick aside, I enjoyed the episode very much.
Yes, that did irk me some. It's not evolution at work when a caterpillar turns into a butterfly. But then again, it aligns pretty well with Trek's track record of misunderstanding what evolution actually is. At the very least it's more sensible than humans “evolving” into salamanders (“Threshold”) or evolution having its own will and clear path (“Dear Doctor”).
I also just remembered that the episode kinda settled a discussion we were having here last week about whether those were actual windows in Saru's quarters looking out into space or some kind of natural light simulators, because in one of the last scenes we actually see Saru's sister looking out of one of those windows, complete with reverse shot of the window from the outside. So yeah, there just happens to be a lot of white sunlight coming in through those windows.
I agree 100%, but in my experience, TV producers don't.
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Now there's an awkward Thanksgiving.Just imagine if They had decided to actually make that being Gary Mitchell in TFF...
Oh the conversations that would still be raging 30 years later!
Kirk "... Why does God need a starship?"
GaryGod "...Cause you dropped a big-ass MF'n rock on me and I want you to suffer!"
Kirk "GARY, How are You? Long time no see."
[ cues up Huey Lewis and the News ]
It tends to get in the way of drama. I'm fine with the drama itself, otherwise nothing would ever happen in the TV shows we watch. It's just I'm a firm believer in "don't meta commentary if you don't plan on changing something to match it" kind of person. Not that there weren't episodes of VOY I enjoyed, because there were. It's just... not as many as I would have hoped.
Well, the Prime Suggestion certainly got a kicking this week. Saru should be swinging from the highest yardarm in San Francisco by now.... 20 years in the future, Jim Kirk is saying to some admiral "pfft, what I just did was nothing next to what those guys on Discovery got up to...." I wonder if they'll ever mention the inevtiable genocidal war that must be due to start within a month of what just happened.
Also, the Red Angel looks to me awfully like Sonequa's stance and body motion. And couldn't they have tried a little harder to disguise that redress of the transporter room set?
Oh, Saru's little motivational talk to Gulber was twee, but I totally get where Gulber's "don't feel like me" comes from, under the circumstances...
Also, the Red Angel looks to me awfully like Sonequa's stance and body motion. And couldn't they have tried a little harder to disguise that redress of the transporter room set?
Oh, Saru's little motivational talk to Gulber was twee, but I totally get where Gulber's "don't feel like me" comes from, under the circumstances...
A month? I'm pretty sure the killing started that afternoon, lol. I laughed when Pike was just standing there a little dumbstruck as Michael was forming the plan to jumpstart Vaha'rai with the pylons. Pike: So...fuck General Order One again, I guess? Should I mention it one more time?
That's why they call it "General" Order One, not "Specific" Order One.
(If I stole someone else's joke, I'm sorry I swear it was parallel development. I said this to my roommate as we were watching it and I felt pretty proud of myself.)
Pike certainly didn't seem to consider them a threat to the Discovery.
Two letters: X O
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