Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x06 - "The Sound of Thunder"
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Yeah, because the Battle at Wolf 359 told us that the side with the most ships always wins. You are making a lot of assumptions that are likely wrongheaded, such as assuming the Ba'ul are badass evil monsters and not frightened vegetarians who are out of their depth dealing with their whole world being turned upside down in a matter of minutes. So maybe watch it again and look at the Ba'uls actions as unprepared and desperate. Because based on the info provided that makes a lot more sense.
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@Alan Roi can you please try to tone down the abrasiveness with people? I've noticed since you got here that you just treat anyone who thinks differently than you as an idiot. You are not the arbiter of correct opinion on Discovery, and it is possible to disagree politely. It helps with a better discussion on all sides.
Oh please - the best you can counter with is 40 ships VS a Borg Cube (which they spent an episode building up as indestructible)?
And even if I concede the above (which I don't, but for the sake of discussion here ): Again, I ask you in what universe is it plausible that a species with warp technology CAN'T design a weapon that can take out a humanoid 'predator' (like Saru)? They can commit genocide, but they CAN'T kill one 'mature' Kelpian and his still 'immature' female sister? (again
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Although it wasn't spelled out, I think the Ba'ul were drastically inferior to the Discovery and their sentry ships would've been easily defeated. The only thing they had going for them was force field technology and the ability to mask sensor readings.
Oh please - the best you can counter with is 40 ships VS a Borg Cube (which they spent an episode building up as indestructible)?
And even if I concede the above (which I don't, but for the sake of discussion here ): Again, I ask you in what universe is it plausible that a species with warp technology CAN'T design a weapon that can take out a humanoid 'predator' (like Saru)? They can commit genocide, but they CAN'T kill one 'mature' Kelpian and his still 'immature' female sister? (again
This wasn't my argument at all. My argument was, are their ships remotely a match for the Discovery? We don't know, but just because a race has warp capability, doesn't mean they are violent or big into weapon building. After all, their planet had been peaceful for thousands of years. And they never fired on the Discovery. They only really acted in self defense and fear.
Did they have the weapons to deal with Predator Saru's strength immediately on hand, maybe, maybe not as the Ba'ul pointed out, they hadn't had to deal with one in ages, and may only have been guessing how strong he could be based on ancient records. I am positing that there are many possible reasons they did not act efficiently to eliminate Saru or the Discovery. And these mostly have to do with won't and do we really have the full picture here, not can't.
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Have we ever had definitively that you can't beam off a starship with the shields up? Presumably if you knew your own shield frequency you could achieve it.
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I was about to answer that when I realized I don't think I've ever heard anyone say you couldn't. Now I'm stumped. Good question.
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I mentioned that first.
Seriously though, I'm going to look into the shields question....
I hear where you're coming from, and I do like an ongoing importance to the information they gained. However, it *is* a bit contrived that they obtained the exact information necessary for this episode just so recently. It's just too convenient.
However, an even bigger concern was the global change Pike authorized without any study or plan for unintended consequences that'll occur!
The Red Angel is clearly Future Guy's twin sister.
I thought I'd make a meaningful contribution to this thread.
I thought I'd make a meaningful contribution to this thread.
Right. Future Girl.
I meant in the context of the 1960s. What could they have done, as writers back then. That's what I meant. I think a technobabble solution takes the power out of "Where No Man Has Gone Before" and "City on the Edge of Forever". People have said I'm too harsh when it comes to TNG, and this is one of the reasons why. It standardized the "This is Star Trek, let's change the doo-hickeys!" Solution to dilemmas. VOY made it even worse. At the end of "City on the Edge of Forever", Kirk's short, curt, "Let's get the Hell out here" works a whole lot better than some stupid Data/Geordi-inspired solution.
I think that solutions should come at a cost. Spock was rescued from Genesis, but it came at the cost of David's life. The Klingon War was ended, but it came at the cost of turning to a Terran and resorting to the extreme of L'Rell having the power to destroy Qo'noS to make the other Klingons fall in line. Sisko lied, cheated, bribed, and became an accessory to murder to get the Romulans go join the war against the Dominion. Or the Prophets making Sisko join their plane in exchange for their actions on behalf of him. Which was a price he had to pay. Those types of things. Things that both DS9 and DSC have remembered that TOS used to do sometimes.
Kirk could've warned Edith Keeler about Hitler but she wouldn't have believed him and would've asked, "How do you know?" He could've told her to make sure the United States entered World War II but she probably wouldn't have listened and was strong-willed enough to do whatever she would've wanted to do regardless. Which means Kirk was in a shitty situation. Maybe he could've taken Edith with him but there's no way to know if the Guardian of Forever would've allowed for that. Too many variables... and none of them make for as good of an episode.
In "Where No Man Has Gone Before", Kirk tried to just leave it at marooning Gary Mitchell, but then Gary wouldn't let Kirk do it, and then it became a situation of kill or be killed.
The whole situation with Culber's return is weird, getting back to "Sounds of Thunder", but as long as it follows up on how things aren't as they were before, then I'm okay with it as a sci-fi exploration of someone coming back from where they were.
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He did make the suggestion that Kirk always does after messing things up: we'll send some Federation people to help you all figure things out.
But if the Red Angel is traveling in time, they encounter it because they ensure they encounter it because they know the crew need it later. No different really for the reason the Sisko exists.
Reminded me of a submarine, love it.They CLICKED BUTTONS to arm torpedoes!
BLINKY CLICKY BUTTONS!!!!!
9/10 Would Click Again
True, and I mentioned that possibility in my original review. I still think it reduces the drama and the need for the crew to solve their own problems. But, don't get me wrong, I still enjoyed the episode overall.
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