Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x06 - "The Sound of Thunder"

[Doc Mugatu]

Like many others, I hated Tyler in this episode. I mean, I can buy that he begrudgingly accepted working for Section 31 because he had nowhere else to go. But in this episode he talks like a true believer in the cause, which seems...out of place...considering he hasn't had all that much time to process things.

It's just poor writing, and worse characterization.

I agree with you on Tyler. I don't want to say bad writing per se. I think his character and that of MU Georgiou are two examples of the writers not being in sync in terms of having an unified vision of what to do with them or how to use them. To be honest, I feel the same can be said about the whole Klingon war and aftermath. Right now these elements are in a bit of a corner so there maybe more abrupt changes to correct things.

 

[cultcross]

Comments on moderator actions to PM please, everybody. And it isn't a jury trial, it's a day off from a Star Trek board. Let's try for perspective.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The question I hate asking: How long does it take to repair the Enterprise? I hope they're doing some in-between five-year missions refitting. Otherwise, how bad was the damage really?

Till the parts come in, it will remain on cinder blocks on the front lawn

 

[Jadeb]

He's not a Klingon spy anymore, he hasn't been since L'Rell purged Voq's personality in Season 1.

But there is no way anyone on either side would ever trust him again. None.

 

[IMC Headquarters]

Spock is a tad homicidal: "Kill Gary Mitchell. Edith Keeler must die. Etc..."

 

[fireproof78]

Till the parts come in, it will remain on cinder blocks on the front lawn

Have you tried finding a warp core for a 23rd century starship? Pain in the butt, I tell you. Hopefully this old Ford one will work just as well.

 

[Tuskin38]

But there is no way anyone on either side would ever trust him again. None.

I disagree. He's not that person anymore.

 

[Amaris]

He has a job to do. And he's doing it. And its important to the narrative. And Star Trek has had plenty of characters in the past who performed the same narrative duties, for again, the same useful narrative reasons. Its a bit odd to be watching a show that's asking a the audience to examine what they are watching, and to get a response back, "but I shouldn't have to."

I just find him grating in every possible way.

 

[Alan Roi]

I agree with you on Tyler. I don't want to say bad writing per se. I think his character and that of MU Georgiou are two examples of the writers not being in sync in terms of having an unified vision of what to do with them or how to use them. To be honest, I feel the same can be said about the whole Klingon war and aftermath. Right now these elements are in a bit of a corner so there maybe more abrupt changes to correct things.

Both Tyler and the Empress were ripped from their lives. Tyler, repeatedly. Both are trying to find their own footing in the world they now have to live in and the people they have to be to survive and find their way. The fact that they aren't 'unified' makes perfect sense. Imagine yourself going through what they have and imagine how in sync you might be.

 

[Alan Roi]

Spock is a tad homicidal: "Kill Gary Mitchell. Edith Keeler must die. Etc..."

Was he proven wrong in either case?

 

[Amaris]

Was he proven wrong in either case?

Yes.

 

[IMC Headquarters]

Have you tried finding a warp core for a 23rd century starship? Pain in the butt, I tell you. Hopefully this old Ford one will work just as well.

Ford Pintos make the best impulse engines!

 

[Jadeb]

I disagree. He's not that person anymore.

He’s a Klingon wearing the skin of a Starfleet officer the Klingons killed!

 

[cultcross]

But there is no way anyone on either side would ever trust him again. None.

Well no, but I wouldn't trust the Emperor of the cannibal space Nazis either, so this version of section 31 just have fairly loose vetting standards.

 

[Alan Roi]

But there is no way anyone on either side would ever trust him again. None.

He's exactly the kind of person an outfit like Section 31 would look for. Someone desperate for a place to belong and in need of a purpose.

 

[Amaris]

Well no, but I wouldn't trust the Emperor of the cannibal space Nazis either, so this version of section 31 just have fairly loose vetting standards.

There is no way this will come back to bite them. None at all.

 

[Tuskin38]

He’s a Klingon wearing the skin of a Starfleet officer the Klingons killed!

Not anymore, he's Tyler with Voq's memories.

The original Tyler was imprinted on his brain remember, he's Tyler with a new'ish body.

 

[Alan Roi]

Yes.

How so?

 

[Amaris]

How so?

Gary Mitchell didn't have to be killed.
Edith Keeler didn't have to die.

Not in a world like Star Trek's where everything is possible at any given moment with any technology whether real or imagined. It was just a more binary way of thinking back when Spock's character was still being fleshed out.

 

[IMC Headquarters]

When Culber's hearing became distorted I half-expected to suddenly hear Charlie Brown mute trumpet adult-speak...