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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x04 - "An Obol for Charon"

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How can Spock be beating them? He's in a Shuttle. They probably have warp 3 as their max. Hell, Shuttles aren't even supposed to have warp drive at this time.
He has a serious head start, and I mean a few days at least. They keep getting stopped, which gives him more time to get away. As for having warp drive, sure! The shuttle that brought Burnham to Discovery had warp capability. TOS had warp shuttles like the Type F, and the Copernicus from TAS.
 
He has a serious head start, and I mean a few days at least. They keep getting stopped, which gives him more time to get away. As for having warp drive, sure! The shuttle that brought Burnham to Discovery had warp capability. TOS had warp shuttles like the Type F, and the Copernicus from TAS.
Even still, the Discovery should be way faster than him. Plenty of time to fill the gap.
Trekyards also brought up an interesting thing that the writers on this show seem to confuse warp drive and hyperspace from Star Wars. In Star Trek, sensors do work at warp and so they should have detected that large sphere long before they got there. The JJVerse also made that mistake with the scene of the Enterprise warping directly into a battle zone with no warning. They should have detected the battle and what was happening before as well.
 
No I wrote I did not accept that Tilly would have a 300 year old song as her favourite song (whether it was David Bowie or Chuck Berry is irrelevant)

My original post
'How many present day 20 something year old humans have a 300 year old song as their favourite? That scene was too corny'
If her favorite song was a made up song from the 23rd century like "Pour Some Bleeborx on Me" by Def Sehlat and she started singing random lyrics no one knows, it wouldn't have any relevance with the audience and wouldn't resonate with them. Space Oddity does for a lot of people, and actually is a poignant and topical song for that moment that evokes a lot of emotion and imagery.

It's just one of those suspend your disbelief things. It's not realistic that everyone is obsessed with 20th and 21st century pop culture, but it's not supposed to be realistic, and it's more relatable to the audience who's watching the show. Either that or they go even further into the past with classical music that they already know has passed the test of time and will still continue to be appreciated centuries from now.

Even when they do make 23rd century songs, like the bar song from STiD, it sounds like 21st century songs, because it's written by 21st century musicians. Actual 23rd century songs would probably sound weird as hell, like Dubstep would to someone from the 1800s. In VOY - Real Life they played 24th century Klingon punk music or something, and it sounded terrible (of course, it was intended to).

I think Tilly and Stamets singing Space Oddity was one of the most beautiful and moving moments in the series and in Trek, and it would have been a shame to have lost that for the sake of unnecessary realism and gotten some weird approximation of 23rd century music that has no meaning for anyone in the audience.
 
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I enjoyed watching the episode. The Saru Burnham bit dragged on, dragged out, to his inevitable survival.

Aside from that. A solid episode.
 
TOS shuttles had warp drive , but shuttles didn't have transporters until The Next Generation.

In The Galileo 7, Spock couldn't catch up to the Enterprise, so he dumped the shuttles fuel, to catch Jim's notice, and Kirk wouldn't have spent 8 months with a tribe of native space Americans, wating for Enterprise to creep after him at impulse if there were two shuttles on board that can max out at warp 4.

Or is above why Kirk raised hell until Starfleeet gave him some warp capable shuttles?
 
In The Galileo 7, Spock couldn't catch up to the Enterprise, so he dumped the shuttles fuel, to catch Jim's notice, and Kirk wouldn't have spent 8 months with a tribe of native space Americans, wating for Enterprise to creep after him at impulse if there were two shuttles on board that can max out at warp 4.

Or is above why Kirk raised hell until Starfleeet gave him some warp capable shuttles?
They'll just say Pike ripped them out because he didn't like them.
 
Sorry I am late to the mushroom party, I work Vampire hours and it took me a day and a half to get through this episode while taking notes. We're in amazing territory here. Very "Star Trek". The acting from Mary Wiseman, Doug Jones & Sonequa put this show in a very close to perfect 10 TNG's 'Inner Light' territory. Very very close. I gave it a 9. This season, with Pike, Number One, etc, is a welcomed, fresh change from the despair of Captain A**hole, Gabriel Lorca. I don't know where any of this is going. I don't know if the "Red Angel" is a demon of air & darkness,or a Babylon 5 reference. I don't know how Spock fits in/feels.... but I am thoroughly enjoying the ride, and a huge part of me hopes Pike sticks around for season 3, he is an absolute joy. Here's what I noticed. And I apologize for the useless underlining of text, no idea why it's doing that,

- Cheeseburger, fries, habanero sauce, shake. Number One has already won me over. :)
- I love that Linus is an active member of the crew.
- Visual effects are so good, movie quality.
- Rebecca Romijn just kinda nails it.
- Engineering hijinx, comedy is welcomed. Not the focus, but just natural comedy that we experience in our own lives.
- Tilly on shrooms.
- Saru was a refugee.
- Reno/Stamets is great.
- What a wonderful season we have so far. So way better than the dour Season 1.
- I can't get enough of Pike, his "red shirt", Linus, Detmer & "Owo".
- Saru's quarters are quite excellent.
- Thumbs up for Saru's full body makeup.
- Doug Jones is an incredible actor, & I get flashbacks to his fine work on the two Hellboy films.
- I sincerely hope Pike stays for season 3. He enriches this show so much.
- Burnham & Saru's friendship.
- Sonequa's acting skills are like Oscar-level.
- The continued references to the "Short Treks" please me.
- Everyone's tripping in Engineering.
 
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An Obol for Charon
The fourth episode of season 2. Discovery is chasing Spock, but an ancient sphere knocks them out of warp... However, as seems to be the theme this season, there is a lot more to the story. Number One visits the ship in a short scene, then the ship goes after Spock. There is the ancient sphere being, the computer troubles the sphere being causes to the Discovery, the Tilly/Fungal symbiote storyline and Saru facing death, with some paralleling occurring with the latter. Most of these work well together.
Do all these come together effectively? See below for the answer. But where to begin? Number One is still mysterious. Although the Enterprise chief engineer's name was referred to, hers wasn't. (And Burnham didn't seem to be curious as to her name either.) Still, her character is consistent with the original portrayal and is fleshed out as 'resourceful'. Discovery pursues Spock and find themselves torn out of warp by an ancient sphere being. Thus begins the main storyline with a sequence where the Universal Translator is malfunctioning.
The linguistic confusion that ensues is portrayed rather well, but isn't the main focus. That would be Saru, and the condition he has come down with. As a result, Burnham has to help him focus to fix the translator, and later to find a way to communicate with the Sphere. It seemed that the Sphere had triggered the final stage in the Kelpian lifecycle in Saru. The scene where Burnham helps him come to terms with the end of his life, was very well written and acted. As is the one where Saru realises that his people's beliefs are a lie (and wants to violate the Prime Directive as a result).
The changes in Saru's characterisation as a result will be interesting to see. That the Sphere isn't malevolent towards Discovery but instead wants to pass on it's knowledge is a great twist. Discovery escaping at the last second was quite well done. I'm certain that this knowledge may play a part in future storylines. However, the episode is brought down by the Tilly storyline, even if Reno and Stamets interact in an interestingly snarky manner. It still isn't concluded. 7.9/10.
 
but Stamets should have been the chief engineer who was working on a revolutionary means of propulsion. Nothing wrong with that, nothing that wouldn't make sense in the context of an ST show.

The show and its cast is very poorly thought out. It's good to have different people with different jobs and points of view and skillsets on a show so they can work together and bring something to the table.

They make Stamet's expertise far too narrow. Assuming that the spore drive won't last forever on the show, what's next for him? There was no reason he couldn't be a spore expert and the ship's chief engineer to give him more options down the line.

And also because, it's Star Trek, we have always had a chief engineer (except when we didn't - TNG S1 - and that was fucking weird). It's part of the lore and it fits logically with having a ship-based show.

We also have glorified extras as bridge officers in roles that would also have been filled by major characters/series regulars on any other show. Instead, the show has an extremely tiny core cast and focuses way too much on one character. Discovery's crew hasn't gelled and it makes it feel less of an actual, lived-in place with real people.
I completely disagree - I think the crew, and definitely the casting, have been some of Discovery's best aspects. Older shows, especially Voyager and Enterprise, set themselves up by imagining the crew of a spaceship (Captain, first officer, ops officer, tactical officer, doctor, etc) and then making them all regulars, with a consequent need for story focus and screentime. Then they sat down and said "right, what are we going to do with this lot?" This approach meant that the crew didn't fit the story, they had to try to fit stories around this crew roster they'd come up with. Inevitably you ended up with alleged regular characters either fading into the background entirely (Kim, Mayweather) or with very little to do outside of their "focus weeks" (Neelix, Reed, Paris, B'Elanna, Chakotay, Hoshi). It's called the 'crew roster' trope and Star Trek is the past master of it. To an extent, it lends itself to episodic storytelling, but not really to arcs. As Enterprise and Voyager went along, it is no accident both started to focus around a much smaller group that were carrying the actual stories.

Discovery took a different approach - what characters do we need to tell our story? We'll create those and they will be our regulars. They won't form the full crew of a starship, but they don't need to. Our story doesn't need the helmsman or the chief engineer so when they're needed for logistical reasons they'll just be a name, like one of TNGs recurring helm ensigns. It kept the story much more focused, without weird tangents to catch up with the chef engineer or hang out with the Doctor's son. One of Discovery season 1 writers' best decisions.

Now in season two, the writers are presented with a set of characters written for season 1's story. They've added some new ones relevant to this year, but it remains to be seen whether they will follow through on retiring more irrelevant ones or reducing their roles. I'll be interested to see how this progresses.
 
Even still, the Discovery should be way faster than him. Plenty of time to fill the gap.

It's not that Discovery can't overtake him, once she's free to warp, it was that he was just at the edge of their sensor range and about to move outside it whilst they were stopped. Had the sphere not held them, they would doubtless have kept gaining rapidly on him. The danger here was losing his warp trail and having him pull some course change.
 
That was the fastest pace episode so far, and it felt too fast for me. I liked a lot of elements to this episode, but there was so much going on I couldn't emotionally appreciate everything before the next crazy thing happened. Can't like 'em all, but I'm sad that this was my least favourite of the season.
 
I am honestly puzzled by the number of people who find any episode of DSC “too fast-paced” (not singling anyone out, just prompted by the immediately preceding post).

To be fair, I appreciate a variety of pacing in films and TV programmes (I find as much fascination and entertainment in Lawrence of Arabia as I do in the last few Mission Impossible movies—for very different reasons, of course), but nothing in Trek has ever been “too fast-paced” for me to appreciate.

Not intended as a criticism, just an observation and an honest puzzlement on my part.
 
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