“Their tiny male minds”

[Jayson1]

The line didn't bother me but then I am a 43 year old man. It is interesting though in the context of how they are going to write the character in terms of her own show. Are they setting her up to be a anti-hero are they going to do a show were Section 31 is bad and were going to have maybe the first Trek show that isn't told from the hero's points of view.

Also just how much is modern Trek being made for kids. It's not exactly a great message to have your hero say things like that if you have young boys watching. Granted Trek has had had the similiar issue in the past with young girls watching to see someone like Seven of NIne being forced into a catsuit but i'm not sure either thing is a message you want from a show that is looked up to by kids. To be honest though I think TNG was the only Trek made were kids were really considered. It was the one Trek that was really for the whole family so to speak. TOS was for hippies and DS9/Voyager/Enterprise were made for young adults and nerds "Discovery" is for young adults and the modern nerd. I think the Picard show is going to be for older adults and not sure about the Section 31 show.

Jason

 

[Lord Garth]

I think @Kpnuts is forgetting that Georgiou is likely carrying out a man's orders. The guy who recruited her into Section 31.

Otherwise, why would she care if the Klingons went to war with the Federation? If she hadn't joined Section 31, she'd be strictly a Third Party.

 

[Hythlodeus]

I think @Kpnuts is forgetting that Georgiou is likely carrying out a man's orders. The guy who recruited her into Section 31.

Emperor Georgiou is not carrying out anyone's orders! That's heresy!

 

[ScottJ85]

I know we’re in the middle of a forced diversity/woman matter more than men movement but how is this acceptable?

That's an extremely generous interpretation of current events, and the kind of reach one makes when looking for a reason to be offended.

Yes, she said "tiny male minds".

No, she's not meant to be a sympathetic character. She did, after all, rule over an explicitly human-supremacist racist dictatorship.

 

[gblews]

Did my ears deceive me or did Georgiou really make a reference to the Klingon chancellor’s “tiny male minds”?

What the actual f?

I know we’re in the middle of a forced diversity/woman matter more than men movement but how is this acceptable?

I thought it was funny and very much in keeping with the Emperor's personality.

Imagine the UPROAR if a man had said that about a bunch of female Klingons.

False Equivalency Alert!

 

[Lord Garth]

The line didn't bother me but then I am a 43 year old man. It is interesting though in the context of how they are going to write the character in terms of her own show. Are they setting her up to be a anti-hero are they going to do a show were Section 31 is bad and were going to have maybe the first Trek show that isn't told from the hero's points of view.

Also just how much is modern Trek being made for kids. It's not exactly a great message to have your hero say things like that if you have young boys watching. Granted Trek has had had the similiar issue in the past with young girls watching to see someone like Seven of NIne being forced into a catsuit but i'm not sure either thing is a message you want from a show that is looked up to by kids. To be honest though I think TNG was the only Trek made were kids were really considered. It was the one Trek that was really for the whole family so to speak. TOS was for hippies and DS9/Voyager/Enterprise were made for young adults and nerds "Discovery" is for young adults and the modern nerd. I think the Picard show is going to be for older adults and not sure about the Section 31 show.

Jason

Discovery isn't a Family Show, nor is it intended to be. Otherwise it wouldn't have episodes that are TV-MA. You're right that TNG was the only one that really was. So I'm not too concerned about how DSC effects 10-year-olds.

On another note: My mother liked TOS and she was the furthest thing from a hippie. So Trekkies came in all stripes, even in the '60s.

 

[Lysian]

I liked it, but I'm a girl. (and young)

 

[MakeshiftPython]

White male fragility is such a cute thing.

Please, continue.

 

[Hythlodeus]

while male Klingons lack in brain size, they have twice the penises human men have. So in the end, I guess, they win

 

[Amaris]

Georgiou said, and I quote: "Every minute you remain here, your councilors must reorganize their tiny male brains to rationalize why it isn't them standing on the dais."

And I'm finding it difficult to conjure up any outrage over this. Who cares? It's just one line.

Plus it's important to remember, the speaker is MU Georgiou, who is hardly the most forward-thinking of people anyway.

I found myself agreeing with her.

 

[HugeLobes]

Thank god we've never had a male protagonist who says anything sexist.

Can you IMAGINE the outrage?

 

[Disco!Disco!]

Thank god we've never had a male protagonist who says anything sexist.

I bet @Kpnuts has no problem with the things Quark and other Ferengi said.

 

[HugeLobes]

while male Klingons lack in brain size, they have twice the penises human men have. So in the end, I guess, they win

Given Klingon culture, I have an idea they're the poorest endowed species around.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I figured them killing off the token white guy last week

Pike's not a white guy? Oh....

 

[Lord Garth]

Pike's not a white guy? Oh....

Learning new stuff about Pike all the time.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Not white enough or not guy enough, I guess.

 

[HugeLobes]

I bet the OP has no problem with the things Quark and other Ferengi said.

As a female who is not related to me, you're breaking Ferengi law by talking to me. I'll let it slide ... for the right amount of latinum.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Learning new stuff about Pike all the time.

And Stamets, too. I would have sworn he was a white guy.

 

[Disco!Disco!]

And Stamets, too. I would have sworn he was a white guy.

May said he was whiter than Pike, even.

 

[Blamo]

Just imagine the outrage there WOULD be if the genders were switched around.

If the genders were flipped you'd have an ex-emperor of the largest evil empire of two universes insulting women. And no outrage. Why? Because he'd still be an ex-evil emperor!

Similar reason why I don't get upset by Quark's sexism. The show isn't saying this is a good thing.