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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar 2 - Electric Boogaloo-Fanboys gone WILD-too many hyphens

Do you enjoy pie?

  • Yes, sweet, please

    Votes: 79 40.9%
  • Yes, savory, please

    Votes: 42 21.8%
  • Yes, any kind

    Votes: 80 41.5%
  • No, I'm a heathen

    Votes: 37 19.2%

  • Total voters
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Once I found that Caddyshack GIF, I just had to post it in this thread, it is pretty much the perfect GIF for it.
 
I can't speak regarding Discovery, as haven't gotten around do seeing it. (Probably will see it eventually, if only to be part of the cultural zeitgeist.) That said, putting the first Star Trek series in over a decade behind a paywall in the U.S. while almost simultaneously creating a set of new "guidelines" that basically forbid the kind of long-form fan film that Axanar (and many other fan films) represents is going to rub some people the wrong way, especially if they don't like the new Star Trek they now have to pay for. And some of those people are going to think, metaphorically speaking, that the enemy of their enemy is their friend. Let's not pretend it's hard to understand, even if the person they choose to ally themselves with is definitely not worthy of their trust.

I do think it's weird the way Axanar supporters and Alt-Right YouTubers who produce Trek-related content intersect. I've only recently become aware of the sheer volume of YouTubers who claim to be true fans of Star Trek, but tend to throw around terms like "SJW" unironically, and I find it a little disturbing. I'm becoming so paranoid about watching sci-fi related YouTube videos that part of me half-expects EckhartsLadder to suddenly launch into a diatribe about "the Jewish conspiracy".
 
Not necessarily, but let's really break this down: we have a group of angry people: predominantly white, male, and middle-aged. They're passionately devoted to a thing to the point where they feel a certain ownership of it, and they're mad because the people who control that thing aren't managing it in a way they agree with. They fervently believe that, were the founder of this thing still alive, he would completely agree with them. They feel like the people in charge have abandoned the founder's original intentions, and that it's incumbent upon them to take this thing back so that the founder's original intention for it can be restored and things can be like they were the "good old days" that never actually existed.

Add some proper nouns and that paragraph perfectly describes Axanar supporters, Discovery haters, people who don't like the direction of Star Wars since the Disney acquisition and the followers of just about any right-wing movement you can think of anywhere in the world. That was my point.
Dude, just stop!
 
I can't speak regarding Discovery, as haven't gotten around do seeing it. (Probably will see it eventually, if only to be part of the cultural zeitgeist.) That said, putting the first Star Trek series in over a decade behind a paywall in the U.S. while almost simultaneously creating a set of new "guidelines" that basically forbid the kind of long-form fan film that Axanar (and many other fan films) represents is going to rub some people the wrong way, especially if they don't like the new Star Trek they now have to pay for. And some of those people are going to think, metaphorically speaking, that the enemy of their enemy is their friend. Let's not pretend it's hard to understand, even if the person they choose to ally themselves with is definitely not worthy of their trust.

I do think it's weird the way Axanar supporters and Alt-Right YouTubers who produce Trek-related content intersect. I've only recently become aware of the sheer volume of YouTubers who claim to be true fans of Star Trek, but tend to throw around terms like "SJW" unironically, and I find it a little disturbing. I'm becoming so paranoid about watching sci-fi related YouTube videos that part of me half-expects EckhartsLadder to suddenly launch into a diatribe about "the Jewish conspiracy".
Wow - Back to beat THAT particular dead horse one more time?
 
Discovery Season 1 has been out on Blu-Ray and DVD for several months now, so not wanting to pay for CBSAA really doesn't work as an excuse for not liking it anymore.
 
Discovery Season 1 has been out on Blu-Ray and DVD for several months now, so not wanting to pay for CBSAA really doesn't work as an excuse for not liking it anymore.
I think you got that backwards. I'm pretty sure not liking it would be the excuse for not wanting to pay for it, and that would qualify for buying or renting DVDs and/or Blue Rays as well.

And even if you have it right, if I were willing to pay to see STD in any form, wouldn't it be cheaper to just pay for CBSAA for a month and binge season one than it would to buy the season on Blue Ray or DVD?
 
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I can't speak regarding Discovery, as haven't gotten around do seeing it. (Probably will see it eventually, if only to be part of the cultural zeitgeist.) That said, putting the first Star Trek series in over a decade behind a paywall in the U.S. while almost simultaneously creating a set of new "guidelines" that basically forbid the kind of long-form fan film that Axanar (and many other fan films) represents is going to rub some people the wrong way, especially if they don't like the new Star Trek they now have to pay for. And some of those people are going to think, metaphorically speaking, that the enemy of their enemy is their friend. Let's not pretend it's hard to understand, even if the person they choose to ally themselves with is definitely not worthy of their trust.

They only have to pay for it if they want to watch it. Don't like it? You don't pay for it. Problem solved!
Spoilers: It's behind a pay wall because it wouldn't last a hot second on network television. And it's not really a part of the cultural zeitgeist. Like, people aren't really talking about it, except for the same old same old people.
 
New at AxaMonitor: Alec Peters lays out a complex set of hurdles Axanar must overcome before it can ever go into production. Such as, why the Axanar short films must wait for patches to be delivered to donors. Also, a new story: Peters claims he, rather than OWC, paid for warehouse costs for the past two years. Read more »
 
Spoilers: It's behind a pay wall because it wouldn't last a hot second on network television.
Only because they would move it around on the schedule so no-one knows when it's on, put in on after football / basketball and join it in-progress, pre-empt it for Disney specials, air the episodes out of order, or whatefer else they can think of to kill it.

They did that with Babaylon 5, Space Rangers, Next Generation, and pretty much any other show they didn't understand.
 
Only because they would move it around on the schedule ...[snip]
They did that with Babaylon 5, Space Rangers, Next Generation, and pretty much any other show they didn't understand.
I gleefully remind you that TNG had no time slot: local stations put it on any day or time they wanted during a given week, and I dunno what your local channel did, but where I was it never moved in seven years. :D
 
Only because they would move it around on the schedule so no-one knows when it's on, put in on after football / basketball and join it in-progress, pre-empt it for Disney specials, air the episodes out of order, or whatefer else they can think of to kill it.

They did that with Babaylon 5, Space Rangers, Next Generation, and pretty much any other show they didn't understand.

Um. No. That was like 20, 30 yeas ago. There really isn't first run syndication anymore. I'm talking about if CBS put it on... CBS.

And who is "they"? Because it's not CBS. They had nothing to do with Babylon 5 and TNG.
 
Let's try not to veer too sharply into politics (despite some parallels), please.

There seems to be a demographic which hates Disco and also loves Axa, but these are obviously not 100% aligned. The Venn diagram isn't a circle on top of a circle; there are definitely people who come down on only one side and not the other.

What puts someone on one side or the other, and not in the middle?
 
It's funny; everyone complains about the CBSAA paywall but no one bats an eye at Netflix, Hulu or Amazon (and now Disney) doing the same thing. It's like people don't even appreciate that ~$10 a month can give you dozens of first-run TV shows and literally hundreds, if not thousands of past shows and movies ON DEMAND!
Remember those days when you had to drive to Blockbuster and pay 5.99 to rent a videotape that would occasionally streak, snow or jam at lousy SD resolution? Double that and you get a months worth of unlimited access. $50 a month can get you all the streaming services. And how long before a Comcast or FIOS subscription will include a free Hulu or Netflix subscription?

Not to mention that nearly every streaming service offers a month long free-trial.
 
It's funny; everyone complains about the CBSAA paywall but no one bats an eye at Netflix, Hulu or Amazon (and now Disney) doing the same thing. It's like people don't even appreciate that ~$10 a month can give you dozens of first-run TV shows and literally hundreds, if not thousands of past shows and movies ON DEMAND!
Remember those days when you had to drive to Blockbuster and pay 5.99 to rent a videotape that would occasionally streak, snow or jam at lousy SD resolution? Double that and you get a months worth of unlimited access. $50 a month can get you all the streaming services. And how long before a Comcast or FIOS subscription will include a free Hulu or Netflix subscription?

Not to mention that nearly every streaming service offers a month long free-trial.
I like one show on CBSAA, and that's Discovery. Plus, the app causes so many headaches for people, and up until recently did for me, too. I'd prefer it be on Netflix, where I could watch it with the hundreds of thousands of TV show and movie options I already have. I get why people might be irked because they're paying $6 a month for one show, that *still* has commercials, and is often unreliably delivered.

I mean, I consider CBS to be the Cops/Military/Gameshows channel, and nothing else interests me.
 
Fair; I personally don't subscribe to it and haven't seen any Disco since last year. But I can afford it.
I actually do subscribe to Google Music, which includes Youtube Premium or something.
 
"They" are TV execs in general.

Controversially, I’m going to say: TV execs generally know what they are doing. They are much more aware how the business works than we do. They are much more aware of what the general population watches more than we are. Are they perfect? No. But point to someone who is perfect in any field.
 
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