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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar 2 - Electric Boogaloo-Fanboys gone WILD-too many hyphens

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Csalem said:
On a side note, is the claim about Gossett true? In his videos on Axanar I haven't heard RMB say he did most of the work on Prelude. I know he was editor on it, but have never heard someone say the editor really made the film.
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Gossett was:
1) The reason MOST of the people behind the scenes (who all made the actual "Prelude To Axanar" short) were attached to the project. The majority of them left when he did leaving Alec with one person (RMB) who had some knowledge of how to complete a film.

2) The ONLY REASON "Prelude To Axanar" was completed in a presentable form.

RMB did the 3+ minute "Vulcan Scene"; which even he admitted a bitch to get done because Alec didn't want to really use any money for it. (Plus it was filmed in a parking lot, not the 'studio').

the ONLY thing Alec Peters has actually done:
1) Continue to beg for money.

2) Blame ALL lack of progress on CBS.
 
Yes, it is amazing that apparently he (Alec) is such a bad manager that he can't hire anyone to do a decent job on anything Axanar (so he claims): ironic since he himself has not finished anything.

I am amazed that he can still blame the software for not sending the frickin' patches out and people still accept it. Especially since most perks from other fundraisers are sent out without any fancy software sans maybe Excel. There are truly sheep in this world.

WHERE'S THE MOVIE ALEC?
 
Noname Given said:
Gossett was:
1) The reason MOST of the people behind the scenes (who all made the actual "Prelude To Axanar" short) were attached to the project. The majority of them left when he did leaving Alec with one person (RMB) who had some knowledge of how to complete a film.

2) The ONLY REASON "Prelude To Axanar" was completed in a presentable form.

RMB did the 3+ minute "Vulcan Scene"; which even he admitted a bitch to get done because Alec didn't want to really use any money for it. (Plus it was filmed in a parking lot, not the 'studio').

the ONLY thing Alec Peters has actually done:
1) Continue to beg for money.

2) Blame ALL lack of progress on CBS.
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3) Driven away almost everyone else who has been associated with Axanar in all its (hypothetical) forms, from actors (Tony Todd), directors, technical folks, scriptwriters, and even donors! His foul-mouthed, hate-filled diatribes and blame-shifting has left him with few supporters, little financial support, or allies in the fan film community. He wanted to create his own fiefdom, and now he's succeeded in becoming the King of Nothing...
 
Csalem said:
On a side note, is the claim about Gossett true? In his videos on Axanar I haven't heard RMB say he did most of the work on Prelude. I know he was editor on it, but have never heard someone say the editor really made the film.
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In fact, I'm fairly sure in one of his first Youtube live Axanar discussions RMB directly referred to Gossett as the director of Prelude in what was pretty obviously a swipe at Alec's claims.
 
Wasn't Gossett the reason Tony Todd was involved in the first place? And his role was then what got a lot of people to donate. So if you look at it that way then alec should be thanking him and we should be blaming him. ;)
 
KennyB said:
Bingo.........which maybe makes me think he burned a bridge with Tobias as well as just about everyone else from Prelude.
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I remember in the beginning stages of the lawsuit, when I still had Tobias on Facebook, he was shotgunning the kool-aid like there was no tomorrow (can't remember whether I blocked him because of my own paranoia at possibly getting drawn into that suit myself, or because of all the political BS he constantly posted). I'm glad though, given his talents, that he apparently saw LFIM for what he was and realized this was all one big con.


Anyone ever remember Terry McIntosh's threats to do a major document dump?? Can't recall how far back that was, but I'd be interested in knowing if he ever did pour all that out. Given RMB's change of heart and his own predilection for posting inside info, all of it would paint quite the picture.
 
From memory Terry teased an awful lot, and while he did release some bits and pieces, I don't think he ever did the big reveal he kept promising. I remember a few people on the Axamonitor group getting tired with him over it.

To his credit, RMB has indeed been releasing what he promised. I've quite enjoyed his Youtube live chats and the scene breakdowns he's been posting. He might not have always covered himself in glory during this mess, but at least he's publicly apologised for some of the worst aspects (e.g. the doxxing), and is letting the donors see some of where their money went. Of course I imagine it helps that it forms a sort of show reel of his work directing the VFX scenes at least.

It is also amusing that the remains of Team Axanar have started releasing footage on Youtube as a fairly transparent reaction to RMB. Although his is ultimately better since its got his commentary on the creative process.
 
Actually I am shocked at the support Alec is still getting... there is still a very large, very BITTERED group out there that glorify Axanar and Alec in particular. I was blocked from the Axanar FB page for making critical remarks (which were removed), so the love is partially artificial... But there is still a large group behind him... and I am convinced this group is largely responsible for bombarding and infesting the internet with DSC and CBS-hatred..
 
Roald said:
Actually I am shocked at the support Alec is still getting... there is still a very large, very BITTERED group out there that glorify Axanar and Alec in particular. I was blocked from the Axanar FB page for making critical remarks (which were removed), so the love is partially artificial... But there is still a large group behind him... and I am convinced this group is largely responsible for bombarding and infesting the internet with DSC and CBS-hatred..
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It is very interesting that Axanar's biggest fans are angry middle-aged to elderly white men who won't shut up about how their favorite thing has been "ruined" by women and people of color, and are latching onto the promises of a guy who says he can restore the greatness of that thing. If only there were some kind of similar phenomenon in the larger world to compare it to . . .
 
GeorgeKirk said:
It is very interesting that Axanar's biggest fans are angry middle-aged to elderly white men who won't shut up about how their favorite thing has been "ruined" by women and people of color, and are latching onto the promises of a guy who says he can restore the greatness of that thing. If only there were some kind of similar phenomenon in the larger world to compare it to . . .
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Oh Please, this doesn't even deserve a serious response!
 
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So, if you support Axanar, you're a misogynistic racist fascist? You really believe that? Wow, maybe I need to take a break from TrekBBS again if this is the sort of hatefulness that's not only allowed but actually encouraged. :rolleyes:
 
Potemkin_Prod said:
So, if you support Axanar, you're a misogynistic racist fascist? You really believe that? Wow, maybe I need to take a break from TrekBBS again if this is the sort of hatefulness that's not only allowed but actually encouraged. :rolleyes:
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Not necessarily, but let's really break this down: we have a group of angry people: predominantly white, male, and middle-aged. They're passionately devoted to a thing to the point where they feel a certain ownership of it, and they're mad because the people who control that thing aren't managing it in a way they agree with. They fervently believe that, were the founder of this thing still alive, he would completely agree with them. They feel like the people in charge have abandoned the founder's original intentions, and that it's incumbent upon them to take this thing back so that the founder's original intention for it can be restored and things can be like they were the "good old days" that never actually existed.

Add some proper nouns and that paragraph perfectly describes Axanar supporters, Discovery haters, people who don't like the direction of Star Wars since the Disney acquisition and the followers of just about any right-wing movement you can think of anywhere in the world. That was my point.
 
Roald said:
Actually I am shocked at the support Alec is still getting... there is still a very large, very BITTERED group out there that glorify Axanar and Alec in particular. I was blocked from the Axanar FB page for making critical remarks (which were removed), so the love is partially artificial... But there is still a large group behind him... and I am convinced this group is largely responsible for bombarding and infesting the internet with DSC and CBS-hatred..
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I think that's a bit of an overstatement, Roald. There is a very LOUD group that glorify Axanar and Alec Peters but are they as big as he'd have you believe? Despite literally tens of thousands of donors, YouTube subscribers and Twitter followers his Indiegogo to try to get them to save his California studio barely attracted more than 300 contributors for just over $20,000.

So far, his Patreon is on track for raising about $1,800 a month (projected, for $21,600 a year) from about 190 donors. Compared to the 73,000 YouTube subscribers Axanar has, that's hardly a "very large group."

Axanar supporters are not a monolithic group; they cover a broad demographic. While some may overlap with the group you describe, the amount of overlap is likely quite small.
 
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Eduardo said:
Now this could get uglier...

https://twitter.com/Axanarfilm/status/1089958154283241473

The two directors who failed to actually deliver the work they promised? Why do you think Gossett left? He couldnt do the work. He didn't even do half the work a director is supposed to do on Prelude to Axanar & Rob had to pick up his slack. Rob failed to deliver "Origns"
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GeorgeKirk said:
Not necessarily, but let's really break this down: we have a group of angry people: predominantly white, male, and middle-aged. They're passionately devoted to a thing to the point where they feel a certain ownership of it, and they're mad because the people who control that thing aren't managing it in a way they agree with. They fervently believe that, were the founder of this thing still alive, he would completely agree with them. They feel like the people in charge have abandoned the founder's original intentions, and that it's incumbent upon them to take this thing back so that the founder's original intention for it can be restored and things can be like they were the "good old days" that never actually existed.

Add some proper nouns and that paragraph perfectly describes Axanar supporters, Discovery haters, people who don't like the direction of Star Wars since the Disney acquisition and the followers of just about any right-wing movement you can think of anywhere in the world. That was my point.
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