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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x02 - "New Eden"

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He was a white straight male. And to some people killing off a white straight male character in a fictional universe full of white straight males is basically the same as genocide.
No, it's definitely not that. I don't think anyone here has implied anything that has even a tiniest bit to do with that.

If he had been a perfectly nice guy and died a red shirt's death, I wouldn't have minded*. But that he was written as an asshole and we were supposed to feel schadenfreude about his death is what I find distasteful.

(* And even now I only mind a minuscule bit.)
 
He was a white straight male. And to some people killing off a white straight male character in a fictional universe full of white straight males is basically the same as genocide.
Ah, so just the usual then.
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the other thing I noticed is that people didn't get the joke and are now somehow angry about the realization that they have no humour.
I missed the joke, and I'm not angry about it, just a bit confused.
 
No, it's definitely not that. I don't think anyone here has implied anything that has even a tiniest bit to do with that.
I'm actually pretty sure I read that almost word for word but unironically somewhere either in this thread or the other

EDIT: can't find it at the moment, but THIS comes close:
Anyway Discovery clearly has a 1 straight white male quota for the crew and he’s been used up by Pike.
 
Not being snarky........but why would you post without having caught up on replies?
Because I was scrolling through the previous replies and saw one that I wanted to answer? If this thread was over 1000 pages long, would you have expected me to read through all of it in case someone already responded with what I wanted to say?
 
People need to bitch about something.

If the show improves on the level of the best seasons of Trek I guarantee those folks will LOOK for something to complain about.

RMB once complained about the 2009 film depicting Vulcans as racist over the remark made about Spock’s mom being a disadvantage... even though Vulcans being snooty over non-Vulcans has been a thing since 1966.

The remaining big target for Disco attacks I see on certain sites still is Marsha, Marsha, Marsha (read: Burnham). And as long as Burnham is the main character of the show, certain people will be angry and attack the show for having her at center stage. IMHO, the Connelly reaction is a good example of this from some quarters. A certain group saw him as their instant hero for getting in Burnham's face, and then to their horror he's written as stupidding himself to death. So a reaction of outrage is not unexpected. .
 
I'm certainly outraged that They didn't show him ricocheting off a couple more asteroids after the initial hit in that shot.
He was after all, a complete 'bouncer'.
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The remaining big target for Disco attacks I see on certain sites still is Marsha, Marsha, Marsha (read: Burnham). And as long as Burnham is the main character of the show, certain people will be angry and attack the show for having her at center stage. IMHO, the Connelly reaction is a good example of this from some quarters. A certain group saw him as their instant hero for getting in Burnham's face, and then to their horror he's written as stupidding himself to death. So a reaction of outrage is not unexpected. .
Yeah, I really don't get that angle. Burnham is great. I have a lot of complaints about this show, but she's not one of them. Also, if one hates the main character, then it might be a good idea to give up. My complaints are mainly about the writing; I think it is reasonable to hope that the writing might improve (and it kinda already has, at least a bit) but it is unlikely that they're gonna ditch the main character.
 
Yeah, I really don't get that angle. Burnham is great. I have a lot of complaints about this show, but she's not one of them. Also, if one hates the main character, then it might be a good idea to give up. My complaints are mainly about the writing; I think it is reasonable to hope that the writing might improve (and it kinda already has, at least a bit) but it is unlikely that they're gonna ditch the main character.

If I was talking about your POV, I'd have quoted you. You may not get that angle, but I've been to enough forums to know that it isn't exactly out of the mainstream as yet. It was a lot more dominant last year, but there are still a few forums around (IGN for instance is a safe space for this) where wanting Burnham ditched is the subject of continuing discourse.
 
He was a white straight male. And to some people killing off a white straight male character in a fictional universe full of white straight males is basically the same as genocide.

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Wait, you think current Trek is a fictional universe full of white straight males? You really should go take attendance. In current Trek, if you're white and straight, you're usually a bad guy.
 
As will be the case, Thursdays are not good for me, so I watched this yesterday and got around to commenting on it today, 52 pages into the thread.

Overall, a good second episode. Definitely some of the old Trek vibe and revisiting some common Trek tropes as well: General Order 1 debates, a human colony brought from Earth's past, with a few more modern twists. To be honest, I was half expecting the distress call to be from Father Gabriel with the focus on the church!

If we count "The Vulcan Hello" and "Battle at the Binary Star" as one episode, then "Context is for Kings" is the show's second episode, so I thought it was interesting that Pike specifically mention "context" at the end of this episode, right around the time Lorca said the titular quote.

So the spore drive is still being used and they get in a line from Pike to lampshade the controversy over it by saying he's going to have to go on faith (in other words, "Hey nitpickers, like Basil said in Austin Powers in Goldfinger, 'I suggest you don't worry about this sort of thing and just enjoy yourself. That goes for you all, too.'"). I liked how that tied with the theme of the episode, though.

I think we've firmly established Pike as more Picard-like with the Prime Directive in that he's not above interpreting it, a bit when the need arises. I'd much rather the Prime Directive was like that, as in this case there were some very good reasons for violating it: (a) the "natural development" of these people was already disrupted and (b) the time-period they came from and are sort-of stuck at was extremely close to the invention of warp drive---had their ancestors stayed on Earth and survived, they would have witnessed it. But, then I guess the Prime Directive has always been more about the story element aspect than a logical rule.

Tilly, as usual, was a joy, but her childhood friend was a bit obvious in being a figment/phantom. You can definitely see the overarching storyline come into play all throughout here. It's nice to see she's so driven out of concern for Stamets. They've really done a great job in making this into a family. I liked getting to know "Owo" a little better. I want more, though, since this little bit opened up so many questions: There are Luddite groups on Earth? What compels them to shun technology? Why/how did she leave the group? Still hoping for more on Detmer, though (I'm a fan of redheads and Disco gives us two!).
 
I would think s/he's talking about the entire fictional universe, not just the most current show. After all, the current show is trying to be better with a more diverse representation of characters. You've gotta admit, though, that we've had our fair share in the past.
 
But, then I guess the Prime Directive has always been more about the story element aspect than a logical rule.
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I actually like that it's referred to General Order Number One here. It implies a more pragmatic view of not jumping the gun when dealing with new worlds and new civilizations, instead of the dogmatic approach the term 'Prime Directive' has always sat with me.
 
Well, if we're going there...

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:drool::drool::drool::drool::drool::drool::drool::drool::drool::drool::drool::drool::drool::drool::drool: <==(my age at the time)

That's about right for me. To add to that, my parents rented an apartment in our old farm house during those years, and at the time we had a boarder who looked like Lynda Carter's twin sister.
 
That's about right for me. To add to that, my parents rented an apartment in our old farm house during those years, and at the time we had a boarder who looked like Lynda Carter's twin sister.
Heh...
If I were still 15..., I'd be Insanely Jealous right now.
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Wait, you think current Trek is a fictional universe full of white straight males? You really should go take attendance. In current Trek, if you're white and straight, you're usually a bad guy.
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Or the Captain.

Or (if they were straight):
The former comms officer.
The wounded vet in the hoverchair.
That guy in sickbay.
Some admirals.
That guy who went to see Burnham in the brig.
A bunch of people in the background.
 
Just a quick question

Before Ep 2 they did a recap of Ep 1

In that there was Stamets talking with Culver. I don’t remember seeing that in Ep 1

Did anyone else notice that? Did I miss something?

Thanks
 
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