Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x02 - "New Eden"

[Noname Given]

And there was similar outrage to the current outrage about the Klingon redesign the first time that the Klingons were redesigned for TMP. it was confined to fanzines and letter pages back then as it was before the internet, but it was no different. So, it goes back a lot further than Deep Space 9.

Hell, it goes all the way back to TAS if you really want to get technical.

I used DS9 because honestly, it was the closest Star Trek has come to a 'dark' series (like many feel ST: D was in S1) - yet by the end of it's run, DS9 was starting to be touted as the 'best' Trek incarnation to date.

It's loved and cited as such by many on the BBS who still consider DS9 the best Berman era incarnation of Trek.

 

[zenophite]

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But lets not kid ourselves, they just want Tilly to be the fantasy of every "geek" (or the stereotype geek they have in mind) so the Star Trek "geeks" identify with her and her little triumphs.
Which I find cliche but still I wouldn't have a problem with it as long as they tone it down a bit.

100% agree.
Tilly's histrionic shenanigans have quickly become my second largest gripe about the show so far (though admittedly a distant second compared to Burnham)
It'd be nice if they tone down the geek wish fulfillment a bit. Maybe evoke a little more Reg Barclay than 'geek-girl on speed'

 

[XCV330]

I'm a big fan of Tilly but I do worry they'll try to capitalize on the things that made her character appealing and go down the long dark Homer Simpson road with her.

 

[Tuskin38]

I think someone mentioned this earlier, but Pike said it would take 150 years to travel 51,450 Light Years

That would equate to an average warp factor of around 7, on the TOS Warp Scale.

 

[fireproof78]

Maybe evoke a little more Reg Barclay than 'geek-girl on speed'

No thanks. He was more unprofessional than Tilly.

 

[Nerys Myk]

So you are telling me that in American Navy for example, giddy officers run in the bridge half naked trying to persuade their captains they have a point, or they conduct dangerous experiments and get a pardon cause they were right ?
Interesting.

Do American Naval Captains wander through their ships with a naked torso and a shirt draped around their necks?

Half naked? Pretty sure only the lower half of her legs, her arms and her head were uncovered.
It's a tv show, not a documentary on the military. Sometimes this are done for dramatic or comic purposes.

 

[oberth]

Do American Naval Captains wander through their ships with a naked torso and a shirt draped around their necks?

Half naked? Pretty sure only the lower half of her legs, her arms and her head were uncovered.
It's a tv show, not a documentary on the military. Sometimes this are done for dramatic or comic purposes.

come on, what would a guy from iowa know about proper naval behaviour?

... also:

full story

if time is of the essence, proper military attire is to be otional

 

[cooleddie74]

It's called Cedar RAPIDS for a reason.

 

[Nyotarules]

Not sure what you're disagreeing with here. Last I checked, "generation" and "lifespan" are 2 different words with 2 different meanings.

I am referring to your point that 200 years is not long, if the colonists are only living to say 60 or 70 on average, 200 years is a long time. For humans a generation is about 25 to 30 years, so 200 years is around 4 generations on average, especially on a world where there is not exactly a thriving choice of careers for males or females, I bet young ladies from late teens are expected to be homemakers and multiply.

 

[Alan Roi]

I am referring to your point that 200 years is not long, if the colonists are only living to say 60 or 70 on average, 200 years is a long time. For humans a generation is about 25 to 30 years, so 200 years is around 4 generations on average, especially on a world where there is not exactly a thriving choice of careers for males or females, I bet young ladies from late teens are expected to be homemakers and multiply.

200 years is on average considered around eight generations not four, however, children can be born to women in their 40s. The actress playing the priestess is in her 60s as an example. That would mean i the character is around the same age she was born 130+ years after the people arrived. So, realistically she could be as early as a third generation settler if her grandmother arrived as in infant or 7th-8th. What I was pointing out was that, dependent on the diversity of the genetics people transported (which we don't have an answer for in the episode) its likely the entire colony of people wouldn't necessary appear or even be homogenously biracial within 200 years of arrival.

 

[Bgt]

Do American Naval Captains wander through their ships with a naked torso and a shirt draped around their necks?

Half naked? Pretty sure only the lower half of her legs, her arms and her head were uncovered.
It's a tv show, not a documentary on the military. Sometimes this are done for dramatic or comic purposes.

Lol, still, this was an official uniform (more lols), not a medical gown

 

[zenophite]

No thanks. He was more unprofessional than Tilly.

Don't recall him as being more than a bit on the weird side but on the whole I don't care so much what they do as long as they tone Tilly down a notch or two.

 

[oberth]

Lol, still, this was an official uniform (more lols), not a medical gown

if she'd taken the necessary time to get into proper military attire all those dudes on the planet (including starfleet personnel) would most likely be dead when she reaches the bridge

... btw, that 'medical gown' has a military inventory number (even if they burn it after one use) which makes in military attire. i stipulate you may shoot her if she dared to show up in a civilian medical gown

 

[eschaton]

I was someone who loved Tilly last season. I dunno what is rubbing off wrong this season, since tonally it's a bit lighter and you'd think she'd fit in better. But at least in the first two episodes she's coming across much more as if she wandered onto the set off of another show - as if she's been awkwardly shoved into the plotlines with a crowbar.

200 years is on average considered around eight generations not four, however, children can be born to women in their 40s. The actress playing the priestess is in her 60s as an example. That would mean i the character is around the same age she was born 130+ years after the people arrived. So, realistically she could be as early as a third generation settler if her grandmother arrived as in infant or 7th-8th. What I was pointing out was that, dependent on the diversity of the genetics people transported (which we don't have an answer for in the episode) its likely the entire colony of people wouldn't necessary appear or even be homogenously biracial within 200 years of arrival.

The average generation length though is 29 years, throughout human history. Women can bear kids starting in their teen years, on average till about age 44, but the median has remained around there until quite recently.

I agree people wouldn't be homogeneous completely in terms of their looks. I mean, a real-life example is the Uighur in northwestern China. They're roughly a 50/50 mix of East Asian and West Eurasian (mix of "European" and South Asian) in terms of their ancestry, and have been thoroughly mixing for 1,000 years now. Mostly they're very mixed in terms of looks, but occasionally you get people like this popping up:

Despite those kids looking "white" genetically speaking they're probably just about the same percentage East Asian as the average Uighur (about half). It's just that they happened to get the genes for blond/red hair, light eyes, etc. Still, this is rare - and western journalists make it seem more common than it is because these sort of photos make us turn our heads.

Regardless, presuming the demographics of rural Indiana are still mostly similar by the 2050s in the Trekverse, I can buy New Eden having "white people" fairly easily. It's harder for me to swallow logically black men as dark as Jacob, because his ancestors would have to have been interbreeding within the black minority for those eight or so generations - which is very unlikely without some level of racism or segregation.

 

[cooleddie74]

Well, the actor played the role well.
The writers chose Richmond, Indiana as the location of the church. Richmond, Indiana is located in rural Indiana. Rural America is not known for its diversity of beliefs. Yet, we are shown a wide range of beliefs, many of which would not be known to a resident of Richmond.

The city has a population of about 40,000 in a county with a population of 70,000.

And why was Richmond attacked? There are no major military bases near there.

My home city has 100,000 people give or take with a wider metro area of about 350,000 people. At no point during the Cold War were we the location of a military base but I learned years later that we were in fact considered a tertiary target that would have indeed been on the enemy list of places to hit should a global nuclear conflict have broken out. The closest military installation of any significance is about 35-40 minutes away driving and our biggest claim to fame as a hub for industry and communications was our status as a railroad center. We would have in all likelihood been hit had a nuclear war dragged on long enough even if it was by a submarine-launched missile or an air-dropped bomb or air-launched cruise missile.

40,000 people is enough to consider an urban area a target if the enemy is in the throes of desperation and feels like they're losing or they've gone completely mad and are just dropping bombs on any concentration of people they can find. And MAD was a policy that ensured that very little of any significant size would have been left standing on either side after the war was over.

 

[fireproof78]

Don't recall him as being more than a bit on the weird side but on the whole I don't care so much what they do as long as they tone Tilly down a notch or two.

He was programming crew members as part of holodeck fantasies due to his social isolation and anxiety. Tilly may be awkward but she can grow out of that. Reg came across as very unprofessional at best and creepy at worst. He certainly grew, I won't deny that. But that came with time.

 

[oberth]

He was programming crew members as part of holodeck fantasies due to his social isolation and anxiety. Tilly may be awkward but she can grow out of that. Reg came across as very unprofessional at best and creepy at worst. He certainly grew, I won't deny that. But that came with time.

he needed to cross series for that

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

I think they were aiming more for schadenfreude, than actual belly laughs. For me, it was a satisfying fictional scene due to my own personal experiences dealing with serial mansplainers IRL. Even my son enjoyed the moment, because he understood how much of a reckless douche Connolly was being to both Burnham and Pike. It was definitely a lesson in hubris and arrogance. Just like Landry's death was.

YMMV.

I also read Connolly's death as commentary on mansplaining white-male privilege— i.e. it has no place in this show and in society.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

One question: Is May Ahearn a Betazoid?

She looked like one - her eyes looked like Betazoid eyes. But Memory Alpha identifies her as human.

It could have been assuming May was human because of her name, but she could be a Betazoid adopted by a human family, couldn't she?

 

[DaveyNY]

One question: Is May Ahearn a Betazoid?

She looked like one - her eyes looked like Betazoid eyes. But Memory Alpha identifies her as human.

It could have been assuming May was human because of her name, but she could be a Betazoid adopted by a human family, couldn't she?

Until we get some kind of Official (or BTS) announcement about it, your conjecture is just as valid as any other.