Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x02 - "New Eden"

[cooleddie74]

The Sally Struthers School of Vocational Technology.

Up yours, Gloria.

 

[DaveyNY]

You'll need to be more specific.

I'm thinking he's not all that sure which campus it was.

 

[Amaris]

It was the hippo campus.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

I think that was in the novelization. Moviewise she's just some Admiral.

WHO DARES TO QUESTION THE WORD OF GODDENBERRY!?

 

[matthunter]

"Where did you get this power generator?"

"It came with the First Saved."

"No, it didn't. This entire community has known the contents of their belongings for over two hundred years."

"I built it then."

"Whatever. Just send some of that juice over to my home, will you? The wife wants to try a new...device."

The Victorians knew you didn't need electricity for THOSE. Steam-powered ones were pretty commonplace, if the wife didn't mind a trip to the doctor.

 

[DaveyNY]

The Victorians knew you didn't need electricity for THOSE. Steam-powered ones were pretty commonplace, if the wife didn't mind a trip to the doctor.

Holy carp, I had to look that one up....

It's true.....

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/modelsteam/the-manipulator-1891-t70747.html

"The Manipulator. What a name. Another Victorian Era vibrator, this steam powered beast was as powerful as it was noisy. There was no need to ask "Honey, what are you doing in the bathroom?" It was all well understood."

 

[CorporalClegg]

The Victorians knew you didn't need electricity for THOSE. Steam-powered ones were pretty commonplace, if the wife didn't mind a trip to the doctor.

Is that what Peter Gabriel meant when he wrote Steam? And Sledgehammer? and Shock the Monkey?

 

[cooleddie74]

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[Jackson_Roykirk]

I think that was in the novelization. Moviewise she's just some Admiral.

Admiral "Inside-Out Pig Lizard"

 

[thribs]

they constituted their own civilization. it doesn't matter how they got there. They missed the warp ship wagon by a hand full of years. Pike followed the rules. What should he have done? given them the tools to mass warfare and then left again with no reasonable means for anyone to check thieir progress again for possibly a century? Seems like this is a case where the prime directive made sense.


They've got at least as much character development on them now, as Mayweather. I want to know more about these Luddites.

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I suppose that could be seen as that, but he just poisoned a planet to scare them out. He didn’t destroy cities etc.

 

[thribs]

Holy carp, I had to look that one up....

It's true.....

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/modelsteam/the-manipulator-1891-t70747.html

"The Manipulator. What a name. Another Victorian Era vibrator, this steam powered beast was as powerful as it was noisy. There was no need to ask "Honey, what are you doing in the bathroom?" It was all well understood."

Never seen Boston Legal I take it?

 

[DaveyNY]

Never seen Boston Legal I take it?

Only YT excerpts.
Wasn't doing Prime Time TV in my home by that time.
(working 3-11pm)

 

[cultcross]

But they already have 21st Century Knowledge up to the point of the war.

Well, they have some 21st century knowledge. The knowledge held in the memory of those who were transported, and whatever books or storage devices happened to be in the church at the time. Depending on the specific skillset of the group they might have lost an awful lot - evidently between then they didn't have enough high school physics or electrical trade skill to rig up even a rudimentary generator. That doesn't bode well for the other sciences.

 

[thribs]

Could have left them with some pre 2053 material. Some movies, books and tv shows for instance.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Only YT excerpts.
Wasn't doing Prime Time TV in my home by that time.
(working 3-11pm)

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I took away from their expressions that they did realize it as the dematerialization process had just begun. While it shouldn't be possible to do that while being broken down to one's subatomic components, Star Trek has played fast and loose with that for years. I assumed that they did see the villagers witness them leaving.

Yeah, and we know from "Realm of Fear(TNG)" that Reg Barclay could see while suspended inside a transporter beam and even see outside the beam into the surrounding transporter room. So Pike or Burnham seeing the reactions on their faces just as they begin transporting back up to the ship wouldn't be out of line for the way the technology has been portrayed over the years.

Saavik is having a whole conversation with Kirk mid-transport in TWoK. And not-Spock and Kirk's girlfriend in TMP were screaming and writhing in agony inside the transporter beam.

Also supported by TOS "That Which Survives." In the teaser, transport down to the planet is temporarily paused when Losira appears. Kirk and the landing party are partially dematerialized on the transporter platform as she kills the transporter operator. They move and react in a limited way to Losira's appearance and the attack on the operator, although they're partly sparkly. When the operator drops dead, he pulls the sliders down, and transport completes. The landing party discusses the incident on the surface of the planet.

 

[Greg Cox]

That's such a cool idea!

As I recall, one of the reasons they balked was that they were afraid that, unless done just right, it could come off as making fun of STAR TREK fans . . ..

 

[DaveyNY]

As I recall, one of the reasons they balked was that they were afraid that, unless done just right, it could come off as making fun of STAR TREK fans . . ..

And I believe that "GALAXY QUEST" had already beat them to the punch on that.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Yeah, I'm still a little iffy about whether Pike was right or not. What if the New Eden residents weren't on a distant planet, but were living underground on Earth in some previously undiscovered bunker or system of caves that their ancestors had fled to in order to escape World War 3? Does the Prime Directive still apply then?

I don't see how the Prime Directive could possibly apply to any human colony.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Could have left them with some pre 2053 material. Some movies, books and tv shows for instance.

Tech manuals would prove more useful.