Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x02 - "New Eden"

[Vger23]

See, now I can't be the only one who really loves the concept of the Mycelial network, right? I mean, it really is going boldly where no one has gone before? Many of us want Trek to tackle higher concept sci-fi, so that when it does, we get to experience something we may not have considered before? I love that.

I'm with you. This is the first time Trek has tackled a significant, major new tech concept since holodecks, and even that wasn't a major stretch.

Otherwise, it's always been warp drives, transporters and phasers for 50 years. I'm thrilled they took a chance on something else.

 

[Awesome Possum]

That's fucking insulting. And you know it. Drop it.

I find it more insulting to compare something burned into your brain like gender identity with religion, which is something you convince yourself at some point. They aren’t in any way comparable.

 

[thribs]

You’d think they would be more adventurous with the Spore Drive. Have it take them to another galaxy or something

 

[cooleddie74]

See, now I can't be the only one who really loves the concept of the Mycelial network, right? I mean, it really is going boldly where no one has gone before? Many of us want Trek to tackle higher concept sci-fi, so that when it does, we get to experience something we may not have considered before? I love that.

And we already have an out for why we never hear it referred to in the later series and films. The spore drive technology was deemed a failure or far too risky and was thus classified or categorized by historians as a glorious technological failure that was never reattempted because of safety issues.

 

[Vger23]

I find it more insulting to compare something burned into your brain like gender identity with religion, which is something you convince yourself at some point. They aren’t in any way comparable.

I think you miss my point.

My point is that people identify just as strongly with their religious beliefs as others do with their gender identity or others do with their national or racial culture.

It's a fact.

And you can't protect and respect one while be openly dismissive of the other without being hipocritical.

How you or I personally weigh it isn't relevant. That's the entire point, and the most important point. It also happens to be the one most commonly missed.

 

[CorporalClegg]

The region v science thing came up in TNZ last week. I'm not going to link to the thread/post - since it's TNZ - but I am going to quote myself. It's a little out of context, but I do think it's apropos.

The 'scientific explanation' of the Prophets so greatly pushed the boundaries of plausible science that Kira's explanation of their existence can only be perceived as every bit as valid ad Jadiza's. Which was kinda the whole point of DS9.

Even as someone who mostly identifies as agnostic I find Star Trek's long-held, unmitigated contempt for faith and religion to be reductive and narrowminded and, quite frankly, a bit distasteful.

I think my example of the Prophets fits in well with what the episode was trying to say, given Pike's reference to Asimov. I also think it shows that the current season arc was probably an early show note, as it does so directly mimic DS9 - which is what Fuller said he wanted to do initially.

Whatever the case, it definitely draws attention to the franchise's long-held derision towards faith. And I find it noteworthy that they mentioned W-W-the-Ws, as I feel that's where it went into full swing.

And, at the risk of patting myself on the back, I'd also like to point out that this is yet another example of my persistent theory that, at its core, Disvoery is a rebuttal against "Gene's vision" Or the culture [sic religion] of Star Trek.

 

[cooleddie74]

Transwarp drive could have been Starfleet's attempt to make up for the failure of spore drive technology. If we can't jump somewhere else in the galaxy in a matter of seconds then we'll find a way to travel faster than warp drive has so far permitted us, even if it turns some of us into salamanders.

 

[Lord Garth]

Transwarp drive could have been Starfleet's attempt to make up for the failure of spore drive technology.

I'll go with this too. "It might take decades to develop, but we'll find a way... " I feel bad for that Development Team.

 

[thribs]

Transwarp drive could have been Starfleet's attempt to make up for the failure of spore drive technology. If we can't jump somewhere else in the galaxy in a matter of seconds then we'll find a way to travel faster than warp drive has so far permitted us, even if it turns some of us into salamanders.

Luckily they have slipstream now.

 

[Photoman15]

It was awful. Spock in a psych ward and people of faith as prattling fools. I wonder how Jacob is going to explain to the rest of New Eden how he got the lights back on in the church.

Easy. He'll say Rachel and Aaron deactivated the nano [wink]

 

[Tuskin38]

Luckily they have slipstream now.

No they don't?

 

[CorporalClegg]

I think you miss my point.

My point is that people identify just as strongly with their religious beliefs as others do with their gender identity or others do with their national or racial culture.

Nope.

It's still a false analogy. AT the end of the day, people still choose their faith.

 

[thribs]

No they don't?

I’m sure that will be included in the Picard show. Only logical after Voyager.

 

[Tuskin38]

I’m sure that will be included in the Picard show. Only logical after Voyager.

Not really.

 

[thribs]

Not really.

Yes really. Especially by 2399.

 

[Vger23]

Nope.

It's still a false analogy. AT the end of the day, people still choose their faith.

Why does that matter? What matters is how people tie their identities to something. So that's an easy fucking excuse in my opinion. Nothing more than an enabler.

Diversity and inclusion can't discriminate. Otherwise it's a flawed and hipocritical construct.

There are backward people in the world who think people strictly CHOOSE to be gay or transgender. On the other hand, there are people of deep faith who feel those beliefs as deeply in their soul as anything. It's not a choice to THEM any more then gender identity or skin color.

To mock that feeling and pay it disrespect is absolutely no different than doing it based on skin color or other identity. Regardless of your perception of what they "choose." It's bullshit. And it's hipocracy.

You can't pick and choose what to tolerate if you're going to play the game.

 

[Tuskin38]

Yes really. Especially by 2399.

There's no evidence of that.

 

[oberth]

Nope.

It's still a false analogy. AT the end of the day, people still choose their faith.

do they? more like their parents

 

[cooleddie74]

Yes really. Especially by 2399.

Depends. Voyager's return from the Delta Quadrant with sensor records of the slipstream technology used by Arturis could set off a mad dash in R&D to develop a similar engine, but with the interstellar chaos and rebuildng after the Dominion War and the destruction of Romulus I somehow don't think an untested propulsion technology from the other side of the galaxy will be high on Starfleet's list of priorities.

 

[Tuskin38]

do they? more like their parents

What about people who chose after they're old enough to make their own choices?

Or those who grew up without a religion but then chose to follow one? Those people do exist.