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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x01 - "Brother"

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Presuming both Stamets and Jett Reno stick around; I like the idea of splitting up the theoretical physics and the physical engineering into two separate jobs.
 
I don’t get the socially awkward vibe from her. More curmudgeonly self-confidence. I could see her butting heads with Stamets and having a low tolerance threshold for Tilly’s exuberant adorkability.
She appears the kind of Engineer who's oh so proficient in what she does, that her previous Captain's gave her a lot of leeway with her social ineptness.
 
Also being basically alone on that ship for 10 months (her patients all appeared to be bed ridden) probably does something to the psyche.
 
Please let it be the latter.
I will never understand the desire to wish death upon a fictional character.
So I would like to see the real numbers, and that in turn might fix the issues or arguments of what real star trek fans want.
CBS won't release them and even if they did it would not answer that question.
I find Tilly absolutely unnerving. Are there no psychological evaluations in the future? How can someone like her get into command training at all? Anyone would freak out with a colleague like this around
Have you met Starfleet officers? They are not the picture of mental health, starting with Pike!
Plus we all know 6 billions Vulcan exactly the same all the time right? Why is hard for some fans to accept diversity in a fictional species, or are only humans allowed to change their looks?
Only humans are allowed to change their looks. See Klingons, Romulans, Trill, and the like and the expectation that they must remain identical.
 
Presuming both Stamets and Jett Reno stick around; I like the idea of splitting up the theoretical physics and the physical engineering into two separate jobs.

Yeah in theory it sounds great. But at an average of 45 min per episode, and a lot of ground to cover this season...I don't know that it's realistic to shoehorn it in just because we want another quirky, quick-witted character.

Like I said, I like her and found her enjoyable. I'm just thinking of the broader context of the season here.
 
I don't think the problem is that a actor was asked to have alien hair, its that a black actor was asked to have 'not black' hair. I'll point out that Tuvok does not wear a bowl-cut wig.

I get it, but it seems to me that they wanted Kim Cattrall to wear her hair (wig?) the way she did because her natural hair didn't look Vulcan enough, and they wanted Jolene Blalock to cut her hair because her natural hair didn't look Vulcan enough, and they wanted SMG's hair to be straightened because her natural hair didn't look Vulcan enough.

I'm not sure how Tim Russ got away with it, seeing that almost all other actors playing Vulcan males in the 24th century had bowl cuts or were given terrible wigs to wear.
 
So you don't want it to head into a territory that has more of the hallmarks of Star Trek?

Vague as that notion is, heading into territory is one thing. The sort of "creative 180" which some have been calling for is what I fear.

I don't want them to be seemingly trying to tick off boxes of a narrow definition of Star Trek, and sacrificing quality and creative vision in the process. We went through enough of that in Berman's reign.
 
Just starting to watch the first episode, its a shame no one noted the ignorant racist connotation of natural black hair being something that needs to be tamed. They should have left the young Michael's hair natural in Season 1 and not that false straightened bowl cut. The actress hair looks good in the introduction scene that I just saw.
Folks talk about Toxic masculinity which does exist, well so does Toxic eurocentricism.
Ok the opening credits are coming on now.

In American culture, there has been a fairly large backlash regarding hairstyles towards women (and men) of African descent straightening their hair or making it more "European" for decades. Malcolm X, I believe, talked about this sort of thing.

I don't think the show was making any kind of statement on the matter. I just think Burnham adopted a Vulcan hairstyle when she was more involved in Vulcan, and now has a more natural hairstyle, because she's expressing herself more freely.

As for racism, I was taken aback when I thought Connolly said he was qualified because he was better than his Asian roommate. Turns out he said "Caitian roommate", which I guess is still racist, but fictional racism.

Yeah, I actually noticed the hair-thing, too.
Though I definitely wouldn't go as far as calling that "racism". It really was not. This is what I would simply call "racially clumsy".

As in - this is a show made by white people. They straightened the hair because of the traditional Vulcan look. Not taking into account the race connotations - because they probably simply didn't even knew about them. And I guess, had they been aware, they wouldn't have done it this way.

IMO really nothing to "call them out" upon. But giving them a hint about this is probably reasonable.



IDK if it went as far as actual sex. I COULD see Burnham helping Spock through an early Ponn Far episode (that he and she kept from their Parents) - in the way Savak did for the quickly maturing Spock in STIII:TSFS.

Yikes. :crazy:
I hope that's not the case.
 
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On a completely unrelated note: They never explained what happened to the red burst, or why Tig Notaro never saw it, despite being stranded there for ages? Or where the asteroid actually came from?

Wonder if they'll turn back and explain that, or if it will remain as a "Mystery box" and the plot moves on passing over that?
 
I get it, but it seems to me that they wanted Kim Cattrall to wear her hair (wig?) the way she did because her natural hair didn't look Vulcan enough, and they wanted Jolene Blalock to cut her hair because her natural hair didn't look Vulcan enough, and they wanted SMG's hair to be straightened because her natural hair didn't look Vulcan enough.

I'm not sure how Tim Russ got away with it, seeing that almost all other actors playing Vulcan males in the 24th century had bowl cuts or were given terrible wigs to wear.
This kind of the whole point. Resisting conformity is a big element of the show, it's what the T'Kuvma's Klingons were all about. In fact, now that I think about it, this only strengthens the theory that their baldness was ritualistic, in a cultish sort of way.
 
I'm watching it now, enjoying it so far, but the science officer death was really lame and how it was played for laughs was dumb, you could see it coming a mile off. Some of the humour is good, but other times it is just jarring Marvel quippy stuff. I like Saru making a joke about his tendril things, but then within the same few minutes you have the bridge crew acting like children and full out panicing for humour. The overall scene was great, but I could really do without all the failed attempts at humour, I'm not really sure where all this snarky humour is coming from in recent years, I remember TLJ had this problem (among a lot of other problems ofc) too.

Sometimes it seems the writers forget it is supposed to be a professional military.
It ain't
 
No it wasn't, Orville didn't invent sneezing in an Elevator.

I think the "the Orville"-comparison exists because that scene was filmed as a very flat sitcom-shot, from the front, entire crew in the lense. Whereas DIS has otherwise a more natural/handheld filming style. So this scene really stood out - even on a technical aspect - and felt a lot like the other, flatly filmed SF-show with people in brightly colored uniforms doing elevator gags.
 
Yeah, I actually noticed the hai-thing, too.
Though I definitely wouldn't go as far as calling that "racism"! It really was not. This is what I would simply call "racially clumsy".

As in - this is a show made by white people. They straightened the hair because of the traditional look. Not taking into account the connotations - because they probably simply didn't even knew about them. And I guess, had they been aware, they wouldn't have done it this way.

IMO really nothing to "call them out" upon. But giving them a hint about this is probably reasonable.

I like that. It's like...soft racism to me, unintentional but there, and relatively harmless. Racially clumsy is a good phrase. I hope the white people who made the choice had it pointed out to them and said, 'Oh, I can see how that could be racist; I probably won't do that again,' rather than, 'LOL that's not racist! I am offended by even the idea of it!'
 
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